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What would happen if V1 applies +13V and V2 applies -13V , D3 and D4 zener volta...

@copilot What would happen if V1 applies +13V and V2 applies -13V , D3 and D4 zener voltage is 15V. Explain the process, dont do much on technical specifications.
1y
Applying +13V on V1 (ANODE to CATHODE) and -13V on V2 creates a situation where both positive and negative voltages are below the Zener breakdown voltage of D3 and D4, which is specified as 15V. Here’s the outlined process under these conditions, keeping things on a conceptual level without diving deep into technical specifications:
  • At +13V (V1):
    • When the positive voltage of 13V is applied to the ANODE of V1, it is below the breakdown voltage of D3 and D4 (15V). Therefore, D3 and D4 will not conduct in their reverse breakdown region since the applied voltage does not exceed their Zener breakdown voltage. This means the Zener diodes behave almost like an open circuit in this scenario, not allowing significant current to flow through them due to reverse bias conditions that have not reached breakdown levels.
    • The Zener diodes are designed to allow current to flow backwards through them when the voltage across them exceeds a certain threshold (the Zener voltage), but in this case, since 13V is less than this threshold, that condition is not met.
  • At -13V (V2):
    • Similarly, with a -13V applied in reverse across V2, the potential difference across the Zener diodes D3 and D4 remains below the 15V breakdown voltage. Thus, the diodes still do not conduct significantly in the reverse direction.
    • The net effect is similar to the case with V1; the diodes do not enter their Zener breakdown region and therefore behave largely as open circuits, blocking the flow of current due to the applied voltage being below the Zener breakdown voltage.
  • Overall Effect:
    • With neither diode conducting significantly due to the applied voltages being below the Zener breakdown voltage, the circuits connected to these diodes remain largely unaffected by the application of these voltages. There wouldn't be a Zener breakdown conduction in either D3 or D4, meaning the design's aspects relying on Zener breakdown operation for regulation or protection wouldn't be activated under these conditions.
This simplified explanation assumes ideal behavior of components under specified conditions and does not account for any real-world deviations or additional circuit components that might influence the outcome.
1y
How about when V1 is +18V and V2 is -18V , what is the process story and explain the purpose of transistors especially Q8 and Q7, also Q5 and Q6.
1y
How about when V1 is +18V and V2 is -18V , what is the process story and explain the purpose of transistors especially Q8 and Q7, also Q5 and Q6.
1y
Explain the working process when voltage is applied in the circuit.

@copilot Explain the working process when voltage is applied in the circuit.
1y
To explain the working process of the described circuit when voltage is applied, let’s break down the circuit into functional blocks based on the given components and their connections. Since specific details about the overall functionality or intended application of the project were not provided, I’ll make some general assumptions to elucidate the potential operation based on typical behaviors of the components listed.
Power Supply and Voltage Rails
  • Voltage Sources (V1, V2, V3, V4): Given all have the same voltage (5V) specified, it’s assumed these are part of the power supply, providing the necessary voltage rails for different parts of the circuit.
Signal Conditioning and Regulation
  • Zener Diodes (D1, D2, D3, D4): Zener diodes are typically used for voltage regulation. When the reverse voltage across a Zener diode exceeds its Zener voltage, it allows current to flow in the reverse direction, keeping the voltage across it at the Zener voltage level. These could be part of a regulation mechanism for protecting sensitive components or providing a stable reference voltage.
Power Regulation and Switching
  • Transistors (Q2, Q3, Q5, Q6, Q8, Q1, Q4, Q7):
    • Q2 (IRF9530NPBF) and Q3 (IRF530NPBF): MOSFETs used for power switching or regulation, controlling power flow to various parts of the circuit.
    • Q5, Q6, Q1, Q4, Q7 (TIP31C, TIP42A): Bipolar junction transistors (BJTs) that could serve as switches or amplifiers within the circuit.
Signal Processing and Control
  • Resistors (R1-R16): Provide biasing to transistors, set current paths, and divide voltages. Different values indicate different roles across the circuit, such as setting the gain for transistors or limiting current through LEDs or Zener diodes.
  • Silicon Diodes (D5-D12): Used for various purposes like rectification, signal demodulation, or protection against reverse polarity. These might also be part of more complex signal processing or conditioning pathways.
Working Process Overview
  1. Power Distribution: When voltage is applied, V1 through V4 provide the 5V necessary for different sections of the circuit. This includes potential biasing for transistors and power for Zener diode regulation.
  2. Regulation and Protection: Zener diodes (D1-D4) regulate voltage levels to protect sensitive components or provide reference voltages for signal processing.
  3. Switching and Amplification:
    • MOSFETs (Q2, Q3): Could act as switches for larger loads or parts of the circuit, controlled by gate voltage signals.
    • BJTs (Q1, Q4, Q5, Q6, Q7, Q8): Depending on their connections with resistors, they might be switching elements or amplifiers for signals within the circuit.
  4. Signal Pathways: The connections involving the various resistors (R1-R16) and diodes (D5-D12) suggest paths for signal conditioning. This could involve current limiting, voltage dividing, or signal modulation/demodulation.
  5. Feedback and Control: The presence of transistors in various configurations, coupled with resistors and diodes, hints at possible feedback mechanisms or controlled signal paths. This includes potential biasing networks for BJT bases or MOSFET gates and paths for feedback to control operational states.
Without specific functionality outlined, this overview provides a generic viewpoint of how the circuit might operate upon voltage application, focusing on power distribution, regulation, and possible signal processing or control mechanisms.
1y
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please explain what D6, D9, V2, D7, R12, R11, D8, V1 do.

Explain the whole operation, those are used at polarity indicators.
1y
@copilot please explain what D6, D9, V2, D7, R12, R11, D8, V1 do.
1y
Certainly! Let's break down the roles of D6, D9, V2, D7, R12, R11, D8, and V1 in your circuit:
  1. D6 and D9 (1N4007W Diodes):
    • These are 1N4007W diodes, with D6 and D9 sharing the same model. They are typically used for rectification, protecting circuits from voltage spikes, and for reverse voltage protection. Given they are both connected to nets involving V1 and V2, their roles could involve rectification or protection within a power supply context or forming part of a clamp circuit for voltage spikes.
  2. V2 and V1 (5V Voltage Supply Sources):
    • V1 and V2 are both voltage sources with a designated voltage of 5V. These sources provide power to the circuit. They are crucial for powering the devices that require a 5V supply. Given their connection to diodes and the rest of the circuit, they likely serve as the primary power supply or as part of a power distribution network within the circuit.
  3. D7 and D8 (Diodes with Specific Properties):
    • Similar to D6 and D9 but with listed properties like saturation current, emission coefficient, series resistance, and forward voltage. These properties suggest they might be specialized diodes, possibly used in signal processing or conditioning, or in specific roles requiring a defined forward voltage drop and response to varying current levels. Their connections within the net list indicate involvement in protecting or controlling the flow of electricity with precise characteristics.
  4. R12 and R11 (2.32kΩ Resistors):
    • R12 and R11 are resistors with a resistance value of 2.32kΩ, packaged as SMD_0603_1608Metric, indicating a surface-mount device form factor. They are likely used for biasing transistors, setting up voltage dividers, or limiting current within specific parts of the circuit. Given their connection to diodes and other components, they might be involved in forming filter circuits or controlling the speed of charge and discharge cycles in timing applications.
  5. Connection Context:
    • D6 and D9 are part of a net involving Voltage Sources V1, V2, and other diodes, suggesting a rectification or voltage protection scheme.
    • V2 and V1 supply power to various parts of the circuit, underlining their role in powering the components or subsystems requiring 5V.
    • D7 and D8's detailed properties hint at specialized roles, possibly involving waveform shaping, precision rectification, or specific voltage drop requirements in the context they are used.
    • R12 and R11 have their roles in voltage and current control within the circuit, being connected to diodes; they could be part of circuits that require precise operational conditions.
In summary, D6, D9, V2, D7, D8, V1, R12, and R11 play essential roles in power regulation, rectification, and precise current/voltage control within the circuit, significantly contributing to overall circuit functionality involving power distribution, protection, and signal conditioning.
1y
Given the context that D6, D9, D7, D8, V1, V2, R11, and R12 are used as part of a polarity indicator in your circuit, let's break down their operational roles and how they contribute to this function:
Polarity Indication Function:
The essence of a polarity indicator circuit is to provide visual feedback about the polarity of a power source or to indicate whether the power supply's positive and negative terminals are correctly connected. This can be invaluable in systems sensitive to reverse polarity, preventing damage from incorrect power connections.
Components' Operational Roles:
  1. D6, D9, D7, and D8 (Diodes):
    • These diodes are key to ensuring current flows in the intended direction for the polarity indication to occur. They block current in one direction and allow it in the other, serving as a bridge between the power source and the indicator (LEDs in this case, presumed from the context).
    • When paired, these diodes can direct current towards different parts of an indicator circuit depending on the applied polarity. This could mean lighting up one set of LEDs for positive polarity and another for negative, indicating correct or incorrect connections.
  2. V1 and V2 (5V Voltage Sources):
    • These sources provide the driving voltage for the polarity indication circuit. Their role would be to supply the necessary power for the diodes and possibly LEDs (or other indicators) to operate when connected to the testing points or the circuit being monitored for polarity.
    • Given that both sources are defined as having a voltage of 5V, it suggests that the polarity indication is designed for circuits operating at or expecting a 5V input.
  3. R11 and R12 (2.32kΩ Resistors):
    • These resistors function as current-limiting components to protect the diodes and any connected LEDs or indicators from excessive current. Given their specified value, they ensure that the indicator elements receive a safe, controlled amount of current for brightness that is visible but not damaging to the components.
    • They also play a role in fine-tuning the sensitivity of the polarity indication, balancing between too dim (high resistance and too little current) and too bright (low resistance and potentially damaging current).
The Polarity Indication Process:
  • When the power with the correct polarity is applied, a path through specific diodes (e.g., D6 and D9 for positive, D7 and D8 for negative) allows current flow, limited by R11 or R12, to an indicator like an LED, signaling correct connection.
  • If the polarity is reversed, the current is blocked or directed away from the indicator associated with correct polarity, and possibly towards another set of indicators or LEDs, showing that the polarity is incorrect.
  • The precise configuration (series, parallel) of the diodes and resistors, along with the specific placements of V1 and V2, determine whether the indicators show positive, negative, or incorrect polarity conditions.
This operation leverages the unidirectional conductive property of diodes to control where current flows based on the applied power's polarity, effectively using R11 and R12 to modulate this current for safe indicator operation. The 5V sources V1 and V2 ensure the circuit operates within the expected power range for common low-voltage applications, particularly in consumer electronics or embedded systems where 5V is a standard logic level.
1y
Explain the whole operation, those are used at polarity indicators. @copilot
1y
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please explain what Q8, R5, V4, D12, R10, R16, D11, Q5, R6, R9, R13, D4, R8, V3,...

explain the switching function of the transistors, like would voltage come out of the collector
1y
@copilot please explain what Q8, R5, V4, D12, R10, R16, D11, Q5, R6, R9, R13, D4, R8, V3, Q6, D10, D5, D3, Q4, Q1, R14, R4, Q7, R7, R3, R15 do.
1y
Certainly! Let's break down the roles and functions of each component in your project:
Transistors (Q1, Q4, Q5, Q6, Q7, Q8)
  • Q1, Q5, Q6 (TIP31C): These are NPN bipolar junction transistors (BJTs). They can be used as switches or amplifiers. In a switching circuit, when a current is applied to their base (B), it allows a larger current to flow from the collector (C) to the emitter (E), effectively turning "on" the switch.
  • Q4, Q7, Q8 (TIP42A): These are PNP bipolars junction transistors. They work similarly to NPN transistors but in the opposite way. For these, when the base is driven, it allows current to flow from the emitter (E) to the collector (C). They're typically used for sourcing current.
Resistors (R3, R4, R5, R6, R7, R8, R9, R10, R13, R14, R15, R16)
  • R3, R4, R5, R6, R7, R8 (10kΩ10k\Omega): These resistors have a resistance of 10kΩ10k\Omega. They could be used for a variety of purposes, including biasing transistors, pull-up/pull-down resistors, or limiting current.
  • R9, R14 (2.7kΩ2.7k\Omega): These resistors have a value of 2.7kΩ2.7k\Omega and may be used for current limiting or setting biasing points in circuits.
  • R10, R13 (2.32kΩ2.32k\Omega): Resistors with 2.32kΩ2.32k\Omega resistance, potentially used for precision current limiting or biasing.
  • R15, R16 (1.5kΩ1.5k\Omega): These are used similarly for current limiting or biasing but with a lower resistance value, allowing more current to flow compared to higher-value resistors.
Diodes (D3, D4, D5, D10, D11, D12)
  • D3, D4 (1N4744A): These are Zener diodes with a Zener breakdown voltage, designed to allow current to flow backwards when a specific voltage threshold is exceeded. They're often used for voltage regulation or reference.
  • D5, D10, D11, D12: These diodes may be general-purpose, signal, or switching diodes (exact type unspecified), characterized by their forward voltage (~1.70V) and usage in rectifying circuits, protecting against reverse polarity, or for signal modulation/demodulation.
Voltage Sources (V3, V4)
  • V3, V4 (5V): These represent voltage sources supplying 5V. They could be batteries, power supplies, or other voltage reference sources in your circuit.
This description assumes a general application for each component type based on the details provided. How they specifically interact in your circuit will depend on their connections and the overall circuit design. If you need advice on how to connect these components together or have a specific functionality in mind, feel free to ask!
1y
To understand the working mechanism and the flow of voltage through the circuit, let's break down its components by their function and connection based on the provided net information. Since the input voltage and specific circuit functionality aren't explicitly mentioned, I'll make some general assumptions about the design to explain how it might work. This explanation will be based on common patterns seen in similar component arrangements.
Overview:
  • Transistors (Q1, Q4, Q5, Q6, Q7, Q8) are used as switches or amplifiers.
  • Resistors (R3, R4, R5, R6, R7, R8, R9, R10, R13, R14, R15, R16) set biasing conditions for transistors, limit current, or divide voltage.
  • Diodes (D3, D4, D5, D10, D11, D12) are used for directionally controlling current flow, voltage regulation, or protection.
  • Voltage Sources (V3, V4) provide power to the circuit.
Detailed Working Mechanism:
  1. Voltage Sources (V3, V4):
    • V3 and V4 apply a 5V potential across parts of the circuit. V3 could provide power to components interconnected with its cathode, while V4 might power or provide a reference voltage to other sections.
  2. Transistor Switches or Amplifiers:
    • Q4, Q7, Q8 (PNP, TIP42A) & Q1, Q5, Q6 (NPN, TIP31C) act as switches or amplifiers. For NPN transistors, applying a positive voltage to the base relative to the emitter allows current to flow from collector to emitter. For PNP transistors, a negative voltage relative to the emitter turns the transistor on, allowing current to flow from emitter to collector.
  3. Current Limiting and Biasing with Resistors:
    • Resistors like R5, R10, R16 near transistors set the biasing current for the base of the transistors or limit the current flowing through LEDs (not explicitly mentioned but diodes like D3, D4 can act as LED indicators in certain contexts).
  4. Diodes for Directional Current Flow or Voltage Reference:
    • Zener Diodes (D3, D4) could regulate voltage or provide over-voltage protection. Their breakdown voltage sets a voltage threshold.
    • Diodes (D5, D10, D11, D12) are likely used for signal rectification or as freewheeling diodes to protect against voltage spikes.
Example Paths:
  • Path involving Q4 and R5: When voltage is applied from V4, assuming R5 limits the base current of Q4, Q4 can turn on, allowing current to flow from its emitter to collector (note this is a simplified view as the exact function depends on how the rest of the circuit is connected).
  • Combination of Diodes and Resistors (e.g., D11, R15): D11 and R15 could form part of a clipper/limiter circuit or a simple rectifier with current limitation.
Assumptions:
  • This analysis assumes that diodes like D3, D4 might be used to regulate voltage or signal processing based on their properties (Zener diodes) and general purposes for other diodes.
  • The specific roles of resistors are assumed based on their usual uses alongside transistors and diodes in electronic circuits for biasing, limiting current, or dropping voltage.
Note:
The actual functionality would heavily depend on the precise arrangement and connectivity of these components, which isn't fully detailed here. Specific connection nets like those provided hint at complex interactions, such as bias networks, current paths, and possibly oscillators or amplifier stages, but without a complete schematic, these are educated guesses. Additional detail or clarity about the circuit's goal or the interrelation of these components could provide a more accurate picture.
1y
Tell the working mechanism if voltage thru the circuit
1y
If V3 and V4 are set to 30V and given that the Zener diodes specified (D3 and D4, 1N4744A) have a Zener breakdown voltage of 15.6V (as you've mentioned, though typically a 1N4744A is a 15V Zener diode, so we'll proceed with your specified value of 15.6V), here's how the mechanism might work in the circuit considering this setup:
  1. Zener Diode Operation:
    • D3 and D4 are Zener diodes that will start conducting in reverse (Zener breakdown) when the applied reverse voltage exceeds their Zener voltage of 15.6V. Given a 30V supply from V3 or V4, these diodes would enter breakdown and clamp the voltage across them to approximately 15.6V. This behavior is used to regulate voltage or protect sensitive components from overvoltage conditions.
  2. Effect on the Circuit:
    • When V3 or V4 is set to 30V, parts of the circuit connected directly to these supplies would initially be exposed to the full 30V. However, any path including D3 or D4 would see a clamped voltage of 15.6V beyond these diodes, as they would conduct to keep the voltage at their breakdown voltage.
    • This clamping effect protects components downstream of the Zener diodes from experiencing the full 30V, which might be harmful depending on their voltage ratings.
  3. Implications for Transistors (Q1, Q4, Q5, Q6, Q7, Q8):
    • Transistors in the circuit might see different effects depending on their placement relative to D3 and D4. If a transistor is placed before a Zener in the flow of current, it might be exposed to the full 30V before Zener regulation, which could exceed its maximum V_CE rating if not adequately rated above 30V.
    • Transistors placed after a Zener would operate with a safer voltage (assuming no other voltage-raising components in the path), potentially being within a safer operating range.
  4. Resistor Power Dissipation:
    • Resistors like R5, R10, R16, etc., in series with Zener diodes or other paths exposed to the full 30V, will dissipate more power (calculated by P=V2RP = \frac{V^2}{R} for the voltage drop across them). It's essential to ensure they are rated for the additional power dissipation to prevent overheating or failure.
  5. Overall Circuit Safety:
    • Applying a 30V supply requires checking each component's maximum voltage rating to prevent damage. Protective measures, such as current-limiting resistors or fuses, might be advisable to avoid excessive current flow, particularly in paths involving the Zener diodes, as their conducting state will increase current flow through them and any associated paths.
Without a detailed connection map beyond the net memberships you've mentioned, this analysis provides a generalized view. The precise impact also depends on components' exact placements and connections in your schematic. Always consider the whole circuit, including all paths and component ratings, when modifying supply voltages.
1y
Just be aware that the zener diode there starts conducting at 15.6V ,, what would happen if V3 and V4 is set 30V.
1y
When using transistors for switching purposes, their operation depends on their type (NPN or PNP) and their current state (on or off). The "on" state allows current to flow through the transistor, whereas the "off" state prevents current flow. The basic principles of how transistors switch can be understood by examining the NPN (e.g., TIP31C: Q1, Q5, Q6) and PNP (e.g., TIP42A: Q4, Q7, Q8) transistors in your circuit when V3 and V4 are set to 30V:
NPN Transistors (Q1, Q5, Q6 - TIP31C)
  • Operating Principle: For NPN transistors, applying a positive voltage (relative to the emitter) to the base allows current to flow from the collector to the emitter. Essentially, the base-emitter junction behaves like a diode; when it's forward-biased, it activates the transistor.
  • Switching Action: In a 30V circuit, if the base is provided with a sufficient voltage (but within safe limits to avoid damaging the base-emitter junction), the transistor can switch to the "on" state. This allows the 30V from the collector to be effectively connected to the emitter, acting as a closed switch. The output voltage at the collector, in this case, would drop close to the emitter voltage due to the low saturation voltage across the collector-emitter when the transistor is "on."
  • Voltage Concerns: With 30V applied, ensure that the applied base voltage and the resulting current through the transistor do not exceed the maximum ratings for safe operation.
PNP Transistors (Q4, Q7, Q8 - TIP42A)
  • Operating Principle: PNP transistors work oppositely to NPN transistors. For these, applying a negative voltage to the base relative to the emitter causes the transistor to turn "on," allowing current to flow from the emitter to the collector.
  • Switching Action: When 30V is applied to the emitter and the base is brought to a lower voltage (closer to the circuit ground), the PNP transistor can switch to the "on" state. This configuration allows current to flow from the 30V at the emitter through to the collector, effectively closing the switch. The output voltage at the collector in this case would essentially be the emitter voltage minus the saturation voltage drop from emitter to collector.
  • Voltage Concerns: Ensure that the reverse voltage applied to the base does not cause any part of the transistor to exceed its maximum voltage ratings, which could result in damage.
Summary
  • NPN Transistor Switch "On": A sufficient positive voltage to the base relative to the emitter.
  • PNP Transistor Switch "On": A sufficient negative (lower) voltage to the base relative to the emitter.
  • With 30V applied, whether the voltage "comes out" of the collector depends on the transistor being in its "on" state and the collector-emitter path being part of the active circuit. The actual voltage observed at the collector in the "on" state will be slightly less than the supply voltage due to the voltage drop across the transistor.
It's crucial in a 30V circuit to monitor the transistor's maximum voltage ratings and power dissipation to prevent overheating or damage, especially in high-voltage conditions.
1y
@copilot explain the switching function of the transistors, like would voltage come out of the collector
1y
Given the scenario where V3 and V4 are set to 30V and the presence of Zener diodes (D3 and D4) with a breakdown voltage of 15.6V, alongside various transistors, resistors, and diodes, an overvoltage protection circuit can be postulated. This explanation will generalize the behavior of such a circuit with the available components.
Step-by-Step Functioning of the Overvoltage Protection Circuit 1. Normal Operation (Voltage ≤ 15.6V):
  • Under normal conditions, where the supplied voltage (from V3 or V4) is at or below the Zener diodes’ breakdown voltage (15.6V), the Zener diodes (D3, D4) do not conduct significantly. They only allow a tiny leakage current to flow. Consequently, the transistors connected in the paths that rely on the Zener diodes for their base current are not activated because the Zener diodes are not in their breakdown region to provide a base driving voltage.
  • During this state, the circuit functions normally, with other components (resistors, standard diodes, etc.) performing their designated roles without interference from the overvoltage protection mechanism.
2. Overvoltage Condition (Voltage > 15.6V):
  • When the supply voltage from V3 or V4 exceeds 15.6V, the Zener diodes (D3, D4) enter their breakdown region. They start conducting, clamping the voltage across themselves to approximately 15.6V. This is crucial for preventing the voltage throughout the circuit from rising above this safe threshold.
Activating Transistor Switches:
  • With Zener diodes conducting, if they are configured to drive a transistor's base (directly or indirectly through resistors), this would activate the transistor. For NPN transistors (like Q1, Q5, Q6), the presence of the base current would allow them to conduct, connecting the collector to the emitter. For PNP transistors (like Q4, Q7, Q8), a lower voltage at the base relative to the emitter (facilitated by the Zener diode conducting) turns them on.
  • The activation of these transistors can direct the excessive current away from sensitive parts of the circuit or toward elements designed to safely dissipate it, like power resistors or LEDs indicating an overvoltage condition.
3. Protection Mechanism Activation:
  • In some configurations, the circuit might utilize the current flowing through the Zener diodes to activate a relay or a different switching device that disconnects the sensitive parts of the circuit from the high voltage source or connects a load that can safely dissipate the excess power.
  • Alternatively, the transistors themselves, once activated, could form part of a shunt regulator, sinking the excess current and thereby protecting the circuit from overvoltage.
4. Resetting the Protection:
  • Once the overvoltage condition is removed, and the input voltage drops below 15.6V again, the Zener diodes cease to conduct in their breakdown region, the driving base current to the transistors disappears, and the circuit returns to its standard operating condition. Components meant to indicate or manage overvoltage conditions return to their inactive states.
Important Considerations
  • Component Ratings: All components in the circuit, especially the Zener diodes and transistors, must be rated to handle the overvoltage condition without damage. This includes their power dissipation capabilities and maximum voltage/current ratings.
  • Precision and Delay: The preciseness of the protection and the speed at which the circuit responds to overvoltage conditions are critical for effectiveness. The Zener diodes' breakdown voltage tolerance and the transistors' switching speed play significant roles here.
This general outline assumes a specific configuration for an overvoltage protection circuit using the mentioned components. The exact operation could vary based on the detailed wiring and additional components that may not have been described in the initial project outline.
1y
@copilot, with what you said, this is an overvoltage protection circuit; how does it work tho? what are the step by step things happening?
1y
When discussing an overvoltage protection circuit that features Zener diodes and transistors, let's focus on Zener diodes like D3 and D4 starting to conduct due to an overvoltage condition and how this affects transistors, specifically Q6 and Q7 in this context. For illustrative purposes, I'll assume V3 and V4 supply the overvoltage that causes Zener diodes to conduct, leading to potential activation of transistors Q6 (NPN, TIP31C) and Q7 (PNP, TIP42A).
When Zener Diodes Start Conducting:
  1. Zener Activation: If the supply voltage from V3 or V4 exceeds 15.6V, Zener diodes like D3 and D4 enter their breakdown region and start conducting. This conduction effectively clamps the voltage at their terminals to approximately 15.6V, thus protecting the rest of the circuit from the overvoltage.
  2. Current Direction Through Zener: The current that goes through the Zener diodes when they start conducting flows from their anode to their cathode, opposite to the conventional direction a diode would conduct (reverse breakdown operation). This current flow ensures that any voltage exceeding the Zener breakdown voltage is controlled.
Impact on Transistor Q6 (NPN, TIP31C):
For NPN transistors like Q6 to turn on, their base must receive a current which generally comes from a part of the circuit at a higher potential than the emitter.
  • If the Zener diode conducting provides a path or creates a potential difference used to forward bias the base-emitter junction of Q6, Q6 would turn on. This means that Q6 will allow current to flow from its collector to its emitter.
  • If there's a connection setup such that the Zener diode's operation influences the base of Q6 (either through direct connection or through additional components like resistors), the Zener diode conducting at 15.6V could provide the necessary base current to turn on Q6.
  • When Q6 turns on, assuming its collector is initially at a high potential due to overvoltage, current will flow through the transistor, potentially to ground or another lower potential part of the circuit, depending on the specific configuration.
Impact on Transistor Q7 (PNP, TIP42A):
For PNP transistors like Q7, the base needs to be at a lower potential than the emitter to turn on.
  • When a Zener diode begins to conduct due to overvoltage, if part of the circuitry leverages this to create a potential at Q7's base that's lower than its emitter, Q7 can turn on. This implies a flow of current from its emitter to its collector.
  • Given that Zener diodes clamp the voltage, if Q7's emitter is connected to a voltage above 15.6V and the Zener diode conductance effectively pulls the base lower (by being between the base and a lower voltage point), Q7 will conduct, allowing current flow in the circuit.
  • The state of Q7 (on/off) and the flow of current through it would depend on the exact circuit configuration. If Q7 turns on, its collector would be involved in the path that handles or sinks the current flowing through the transistor.
Regarding Voltage at the Collectors of Q6 and Q7:
  • Q6: If Q6 is on, the voltage at its collector depends on the connected load and the voltage drop across Q6. When actively conducting, Q6's collector-to-emitter voltage drop is typically low, meaning most of the supply voltage is dropped across the load connected to the collector.
  • Q7: If Q7 is on, its collector voltage again depends on how the circuit is configured, including the load connected and the potential difference between the emitter and collector. Given Q7's conducting state, the collector could have a variety of voltages relative to the circuit ground, shaped by the specifics of the circuit design and the overvoltage condition being mitigated.
The exact path of current and the resulting voltage at collectors of Q6 and Q7 highly depend on the specific connections in your circuit, including how components are arranged with respect to the power supply, Zener diodes, and loads.
1y
@copilot where does current go when the zener starts conducting? Is there voltage in the transistor Q6 and Q7 collector?
1y
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R10
Resistance
2.32k Ω
Q5
R6
Resistance
10k Ω
R9
Resistance
2.7k Ω
R13
Resistance
2.32k Ω
D4
R8
Resistance
10k Ω
Q6
D10
D5
D3
Q1
R14
Resistance
2.7k Ω
R7
Resistance
10k Ω
R3
Resistance
10k Ω


  • Ground
    A common return path for electric current. Commonly known as ground.
  • Net Portal
    Wirelessly connects nets on schematic. Used to organize schematics and separate functional blocks. To wirelessly connect net portals, give them same designator. #portal
  • Power Net Portal
    Wirelessly connects power nets on schematic. Identical to the net portal, but with a power symbol. Used to organize schematics and separate functional blocks. To wirelessly connect power net portals, give them the same designator. #portal #power
  • Generic Resistor
    A generic fixed resistor for rapid developing circuit topology. Save precious design time by seamlessly add more information to this part (value, footprint, etc.) as it becomes available. Standard resistor values: 1.0Ω 10Ω 100Ω 1.0kΩ 10kΩ 100kΩ 1.0MΩ 1.1Ω 11Ω 110Ω 1.1kΩ 11kΩ 110kΩ 1.1MΩ 1.2Ω 12Ω 120Ω 1.2kΩ 12kΩ 120kΩ 1.2MΩ 1.3Ω 13Ω 130Ω 1.3kΩ 13kΩ 130kΩ 1.3MΩ 1.5Ω 15Ω 150Ω 1.5kΩ 15kΩ 150kΩ 1.5MΩ 1.6Ω 16Ω 160Ω 1.6kΩ 16kΩ 160kΩ 1.6MΩ 1.8Ω 18Ω 180Ω 1.8KΩ 18kΩ 180kΩ 1.8MΩ 2.0Ω 20Ω 200Ω 2.0kΩ 20kΩ 200kΩ 2.0MΩ 2.2Ω 22Ω 220Ω 2.2kΩ 22kΩ 220kΩ 2.2MΩ 2.4Ω 24Ω 240Ω 2.4kΩ 24kΩ 240kΩ 2.4MΩ 2.7Ω 27Ω 270Ω 2.7kΩ 27kΩ 270kΩ 2.7MΩ 3.0Ω 30Ω 300Ω 3.0KΩ 30KΩ 300KΩ 3.0MΩ 3.3Ω 33Ω 330Ω 3.3kΩ 33kΩ 330kΩ 3.3MΩ 3.6Ω 36Ω 360Ω 3.6kΩ 36kΩ 360kΩ 3.6MΩ 3.9Ω 39Ω 390Ω 3.9kΩ 39kΩ 390kΩ 3.9MΩ 4.3Ω 43Ω 430Ω 4.3kΩ 43KΩ 430KΩ 4.3MΩ 4.7Ω 47Ω 470Ω 4.7kΩ 47kΩ 470kΩ 4.7MΩ 5.1Ω 51Ω 510Ω 5.1kΩ 51kΩ 510kΩ 5.1MΩ 5.6Ω 56Ω 560Ω 5.6kΩ 56kΩ 560kΩ 5.6MΩ 6.2Ω 62Ω 620Ω 6.2kΩ 62KΩ 620KΩ 6.2MΩ 6.8Ω 68Ω 680Ω 6.8kΩ 68kΩ 680kΩ 6.8MΩ 7.5Ω 75Ω 750Ω 7.5kΩ 75kΩ 750kΩ 7.5MΩ 8.2Ω 82Ω 820Ω 8.2kΩ 82kΩ 820kΩ 8.2MΩ 9.1Ω 91Ω 910Ω 9.1kΩ 91kΩ 910kΩ 9.1MΩ #generics #CommonPartsLibrary
  • Generic Capacitor
    A generic fixed capacitor ideal for rapid circuit topology development. You can choose between polarized and non-polarized types, its symbol and the footprint will automatically adapt based on your selection. Supported options include standard SMD sizes for ceramic capacitors (e.g., 0402, 0603, 0805), SMD sizes for aluminum electrolytic capacitors, and through-hole footprints for polarized capacitors. Save precious design time by seamlessly add more information to this part (value, footprint, etc.) as it becomes available. Standard capacitor values: 1.0pF 10pF 100pF 1000pF 0.01uF 0.1uF 1.0uF 10uF 100uF 1000uF 10,000uF 1.1pF 11pF 110pF 1100pF 1.2pF 12pF 120pF 1200pF 1.3pF 13pF 130pF 1300pF 1.5pF 15pF 150pF 1500pF 0.015uF 0.15uF 1.5uF 15uF 150uF 1500uF 1.6pF 16pF 160pF 1600pF 1.8pF 18pF 180pF 1800pF 2.0pF 20pF 200pF 2000pF 2.2pF 22pF 20pF 2200pF 0.022uF 0.22uF 2.2uF 22uF 220uF 2200uF 2.4pF 24pF 240pF 2400pF 2.7pF 27pF 270pF 2700pF 3.0pF 30pF 300pF 3000pF 3.3pF 33pF 330pF 3300pF 0.033uF 0.33uF 3.3uF 33uF 330uF 3300uF 3.6pF 36pF 360pF 3600pF 3.9pF 39pF 390pF 3900pF 4.3pF 43pF 430pF 4300pF 4.7pF 47pF 470pF 4700pF 0.047uF 0.47uF 4.7uF 47uF 470uF 4700uF 5.1pF 51pF 510pF 5100pF 5.6pF 56pF 560pF 5600pF 6.2pF 62pF 620pF 6200pF 6.8pF 68pF 680pF 6800pF 0.068uF 0.68uF 6.8uF 68uF 680uF 6800uF 7.5pF 75pF 750pF 7500pF 8.2pF 82pF 820pF 8200pF 9.1pF 91pF 910pF 9100pF #generics #CommonPartsLibrary
  • Generic Inductor
    A generic fixed inductor for rapid developing circuit topology. *You can now change the footprint and 3D model at the top level anytime you want. This is the power of #generics
  • Terminal
    Terminal
    An electrical connector acting as reusable interface to a conductor and creating a point where external circuits can be connected.
  • RMCF0805JT47K0
    47 kOhms ±5% 0.125W, 1/8W Chip Resistor 0805 (2012 Metric) Automotive AEC-Q200 Thick Film #forLedBlink
  • 875105359001
    10uF Capacitor Aluminum Polymer 20% 16V SMD 5x5.3mm #forLedBlink #commonpartslibrary #capacitor #aluminumpolymer #radialcan
  • CTL1206FYW1T
    Yellow 595nm LED Indication - Discrete 1.7V 1206 (3216 Metric) #forLedBlink

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