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I am connecting 12v to the collector of bc17 ,Is it Okay ?will the bc17 optocoup...

@copilot I am connecting 12v to the collector of bc17 ,Is it Okay ?will the bc17 optocoupler work?
1y
It seems there was a bit of a misunderstanding regarding the component "BC17." Based on the project description provided, no component directly named "BC17" is listed. However, given the context, it appears you might be referring to one of the PC817 optocouplers in your project, potentially due to a typo or confusion in naming. The PC817 optocouplers listed are designated as Q3, Q4, Q6, Q8, Q11, Q12, Q13, and Q16.
Assuming you're likely talking about connecting 12V to the collector of an optocoupler (as the PC817 type), let's discuss its compatibility:
The PC817 is a widely used optocoupler with a phototransistor output. For the PC817 or a similar optocoupler, a collector voltage of 12V is typically within its operational range. Its datasheet specifies a maximum collector-emitter voltage ($V_{CEO}$). While the specific $V_{CEO}$ isn't listed in your project description, the typical $V_{CEO}$ for a PC817 optocoupler is around 35V to 80V, depending on the specific subversion and manufacturer's specifications.
Therefore, applying 12V to the collector of a PC817-type optocoupler should be acceptable and within safe operating limits, as long as the rest of the circuit is designed to handle this appropriately, particularly with regard to current limiting and ensuring that the voltage across the optocoupler does not exceed its maximum rated $V_{CEO}$.
Please review the datasheet for your specific optocoupler model to confirm its maximum ratings and ensure that your circuit adheres to these specifications. If you intended a different component by "BC17," or if there are further details to consider, please provide additional context so that I can offer more precise advice.
1y
are there any issues in this project?

@copilot are there any issues in this project?
1y
To effectively review the given project for issues, one must scrutinize both the logical connections between components and adherence to good design practices. Based on the provided information, here are a few considerations and potential issues that may arise:
Power Supply and Ground Connections:
  • Ensure all components are properly connected to power and ground as required. I couldn't directly see these connections from the provided nets, but they are critical for the circuit's functionality.
Current Limiting for LEDs:
  • LEDs such as LED1 through LED14 need current-limiting resistors to prevent them from burning out. While there are resistors present in the project (e.g., R1, R2, R3, ..., R21), ensure that those in series with LEDs are of appropriate values to limit current according to the LED specifications and supply voltage.
Relay Drive:
  • The project includes several relays (K1 to K8). It's vital to ensure that there are appropriate driving mechanisms (transistors like Q1, Q5, Q7, Q9, Q10, and resistors) for these relays to function correctly. This includes checking that the transistors can handle the current required by the relay coils and that base resistors are properly calculated to saturate the transistors.
Diode Orientation:
  • Diodes D1 to D8 are used throughout the project. Confirm that these diodes are oriented correctly to perform their intended functions, such as protecting against reverse voltage spikes from relay coils or rectifying.
Transistor Configuration:
  • Transistors Q1, Q5, Q7, Q9, Q10, Q2, and additional Q-Designators are utilized in various parts of the circuit. Verify that they are correctly biased and configured for their roles, whether as switches or amplifiers.
Optocouplers (Q3, Q4, Q6, Q8, Q11, Q12, Q13):
  • Ensure that optocouplers are used correctly with proper input (LED side) and output (transistor side) connections. It's important to check if the input side is correctly driven and if there are appropriate pull-ups or pull-downs on the output side.
Resistors Value Check:
  • Resistance values for different applications (current limiting, pull-ups, pull-downs, base resistors for transistors) should be verified to ensure they are optimal for their intended purpose.
General Design Considerations:
  • Check for any short circuits or potential points of failure.
  • Ensure that signal paths are clear and that high-current paths are adequately wide to handle the current without excessive heating.
  • Verify that all polarized components (e.g., LEDs, diodes, electrolytic capacitors—if any) are correctly oriented.
  • Check that the net connections (like those with specific net identifiers) make logical sense in the context of the intended function of the circuit.
Without a specific functional description or an intended schematic design goal, these points are quite general. If you have specific functionalities or concerns in mind, or if there are particular sections of the circuit you are unsure about, please provide more details for a more targeted review.
1y
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explain this project.

@copilot explain this project.
1y
This project describes a comprehensive design for an 8-channel relay module, utilizing a variety of electronic components. Here's a general breakdown and explanation of various sections and key components involved in this project:
Relay Modules (Designators: K1-K8)
  • The core of this project revolves around eight relay modules (Ningbo Songle Relay SRD-12VDC-SL-C) intended for controlling multiple devices or circuits. These relays are designed to operate with a 12VDC coil voltage and can handle multiple types of contacts (not explicitly mentioned, but typically these relays are SPDT).
LEDs (Designators: LED1-LED14)
  • LEDs are dispersed across various nets within the project, serving as indicators for different states or actions. For example, some LEDs (e.g., LED1, LED4, LED6, etc.) likely indicate the activation of corresponding relays or other significant events in the circuit.
Optocouplers (Designators: Q3, Q4, Q6, Q8, Q11, Q12, Q13)
  • Several optocouplers (SHARP/Socle Technology PC817X1CSP9F) are included, which are used for electrical isolation between the input signals (likely coming from a microcontroller or other control logic) and the relays. They ensure that any noise or high voltage from the relay side doesn't affect the low-voltage side.
BJT Transistors (Designators: Q1, Q2, Q5, Q7, Q9, Q10, Q14)
  • Bipolar Junction Transistors (BJTs) (2N2222, Solid State Inc.) are also used, probably as switches to drive each optocoupler's LED, indicating that a separate control logic feeds into these transistors to operate the relays indirectly.
Diodes (Designators: D1-D8)
  • Diodes (1N4007, Yangjie Technology) are likely used across the relay coils to protect the circuit from voltage spikes when the relay coil is de-energized, a standard practice in relay driving circuits.
Resistors
  • Numerous resistors with varying resistance values are spread throughout the project. They likely fulfill different roles such as limiting LED current, setting transistor biasing, and providing pull-ups or pull-downs as necessary.
Power Supply and Connectors
  • A voltage source (Designator: V1) providing 5V is mentioned, which could be used for powering the control logic side of the circuit.
  • Connectors J1, J2, and J3 (various manufacturers) are included for interfacing with external devices, power supplies, or signal sources.
Nets and Connections
  • The project contains numerous nets, indicating connections between various components. For instance, there are nets dedicated to connecting relay coils to their driving circuits, optocoupler inputs/outputs, and LED indicators to their respective control mechanisms.
General Purpose
  • This relay module could serve a wide range of applications, from home automation to industrial control systems. The use of optocouplers and transistors for driving the relays emphasizes the design's focus on reliability and electrical isolation, essential for protecting sensitive control electronics from potentially harmful signals/noises from the relay and load sides.
This project, therefore, showcases a multifaceted approach towards designing an 8-channel relay module with considerations for electrical isolation, signal indication, and easy interfacing with other systems or controls.
1y
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if the pin 1 of J3 is given a high signal from esp32. Now, pin 1 of J2 is connec...

@copilot if the pin 1 of J3 is given a high signal from esp32. Now, pin 1 of J2 is connected to 12v supply and pin 2 of J2 is grounded , will the relay K1 gets on?
1y
To determine if the relay K1 will be turned on when pin 1 of J3 is given a high signal from an ESP32, and given the connection status of J2, we need to analyze the connections, especially focusing on the control mechanism of the relay K1 and the voltage levels involved.
Firstly, let's establish some connections based on the project netlist:
  • K1 is a relay with the model number SRD-12VDC-SL-C, which operates at 12V DC.
  • J2 is a connector that has pin 1 connected to the 12V supply and pin 2 grounded.
  • According to the project netlist, J3 pin 1 is part of net b79a5828c669dbd8c030d374da188630, but there appears to be no direct connection that bridges the high signal from pin 1 of J3 to the control mechanism of K1 solely within the netlist details provided. Hence, a key piece of information — how the high signal from the ESP32 influences the relay — seems to be missing, like a missing controller or transistor setup that interprets the signal from the ESP32 to energize the relay K1.
For a relay K1 (SRD-12VDC-SL-Cd59f8a3ddf815e07b84cb70967292177d59f8a3d-df81-5e07-b84c-b70967292177) to be turned on (energized), its coil needs to be supplied with its rated voltage (12 VDC) and sufficient current. The SRD-12VDC-SL-C relay has a coil voltage of 12 VDC and typically requires about 30 mA to 37.5 mA (depending on the variant used) to successfully operate as per the datasheets5cbdd18e0579571b85c8fd7f162b03745cbdd18e-0579-571b-85c8-fd7f162b0374,9ee0b3deca045e6fb2ad701494eccfd69ee0b3de-ca04-5e6f-b2ad-701494eccfd6.
Given these conditions:
  • If the ESP32's high signal activates a mechanism (such as a transistor switch or an optocoupler like Q3 or Q4, which then enables the 12V from J2:PIN1 to flow to the relay's coil (without being provided in the project netlist), and if this mechanism ensures that the current requirement is met, then K1 would indeed be energized (turned on).
  • The direct connection of J2:PIN1 to 12V and J2:PIN2 to ground doesn't inherently ensure the relay K1's operation; it's the control signal from ESP32 and how it is utilized to energize K1's coil that is crucial.
It's important to mention that the ESP32 operates at 3.3V logic level, and there needs to be an interfacing circuit/component that can safely connect the 3.3V logic signal to control the 12V needed for the relay without harming the ESP32 or the relay.
So, without additional information on the interfacing circuit/component used to bridge the ESP32 signal to control the relay K1, it can't be definitively stated that K1 will be turned on. If you have a specific mechanism in mind (e.g., a transistor or an optocoupler like Q3 or Q4 being used to interface), please provide further details for a more precise analysis.
1y
what to do , if i want my relay K1 to be on in this schematics?
1y
To turn on the relay K1 in your schematic using a high signal from an ESP32, you need to ensure that when the ESP32 outputs a high signal, it effectively causes the relay's coil (K1) to be energized with its rated voltage (12V) and sufficient current. The ESP32 operates at 3.3V and cannot directly drive a 12V relay. Here is a typical method using a transistor as a switch:
Components Needed:
  • NPN Transistor (e.g., 2N2222) - This can act as a switch to control the higher voltage (12V) needed by the relay.
  • Base Resistor (e.g., 1kΩ) - Limits current into the transistor's base.
  • Flyback Diode (e.g., 1N4007) - Protects the transistor from voltage spikes when the relay coil is de-energized.
Connections:
  1. Connect the ESP32 output pin to the 1kΩ resistor (R1) base resistor:
    • Connect R1:1 (one end of the resistor) to the ESP32 GPIO pin output.
  2. Connect the base resistor to the base of the NPN transistor (Q1):
    • Connect R1:2 (the other end of the resistor) to Q1:B (base of the transistor).
  3. Connect the collector of the transistor to one end of the relay coil:
    • Connect Q1:C (collector of the transistor) to one end of the relay coil, suppose it's K1:~ (assuming this is the coil connection).
  4. Connect the other end of the relay coil to +12V:
    • Directly connect the other terminal of the relay coil, suppose it's K1:~ (assuming this terminal signifies the other end of the coil), to the +12V supply from J2:PIN1.
  5. Ground the emitter of the transistor:
    • Connect Q1:E (emitter of the transistor) to the ground (GND), which is also connected to J2:PIN2.
  6. Connect a flyback diode across the relay coil:
    • Connect the cathode of D1 (e.g., 1N4007) to the +12V side of the relay coil (the same point as step 4), and connect the anode to the ground side of the coil (the same point connected to Q1:C). This setup is crucial to protect the transistor from the voltage spike generated when the relay coil is de-energized.
How It Works:
  • When the ESP32 outputs a high signal, current flows through R1 into Q1's base, turning Q1 on.
  • With Q1 on, it allows current to flow from the 12V supply through the relay coil, turning the relay on.
  • When the ESP32 output is low, Q1 is off, disabling current flow through the relay coil, thus turning the relay off.
  • The flyback diode D1 prevents voltage spikes caused by the inductive load of the relay when it's turned off, protecting Q1 from potential damage.
This setup effectively uses a low-voltage signal from the ESP32 to control a high-voltage relay.
1y
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Are C1 and C2 right capacitors for decoupling according to the specifications of...

@copilot Are C1 and C2 right capacitors for decoupling according to the specifications of U2?
1y
To determine if C1 and C2 are appropriate for decoupling according to the specifications of U2 (LM2678S-3.3/NOPB), we need to look at the requirements for input and output capacitors for the LM2678S-3.3/NOPB, as well as the properties of C1 and C2 themselves.
Requirements for LM2678S-3.3/NOPB
  • Output Capacitor: The LM2678 datasheet provides recommendations for output capacitors to ensure stability and good transient response. The recommended output capacitor configurations include:
    • Two options using 220uF capacitors
    • One option using a single 3900uF capacitor
    These configurations are suggested with various voltage ratings, with specific reference to manufacturers and series, ensuring the selections are based on both capacitance and ESR characteristics to match the regulator's requirements.
  • Input Capacitor: For the input side, the LM2678 recommends using capacitors with sufficient voltage rating and RMS current rating greater than half the load max. It suggests 680uF, 63V, or 1200uF, 63V capacitors as appropriate choices.
For both the input and output capacitors, ensuring the voltage rating of the capacitors is greater than the application input voltage is crucial.
Properties of C1 and C2
  • C1: 220uF electrolytic capacitor. No datasheet excerpts have been provided with specific details about voltage ratings for this component. However, based on common values for similar capacitors, a typical rating might be around 25V or higher.
  • C2: 100uF electrolytic capacitor. Like C1, specific details about the voltage rating are not provided. Again, assuming common values, a rating of at least 10V would be reasonable.
Conclusion
  • C1: Seems appropriate for use as an output decoupling capacitor for U2, as its capacitance matches one of the recommended configurations. The assumed voltage rating should be verified to ensure it is sufficient based on the application's requirements. Without exact voltage rating information, it's advisable to ensure it exceeds the maximum output of U2 plus a safety margin.
  • C2: With a capacitance of 100uF, it seems more aligned with being an input decoupling capacitor, although it does not exactly match the suggested values in the excerpts. For best performance, considering the LM2678's suggestions, a higher capacitance might be preferable. Again, ensuring the voltage rating suffices for the application is crucial.
Recommendation: Verify the voltage ratings of both capacitors to ensure they exceed the highest voltage they might encounter in the circuit. If C1 and C2's voltage ratings are sufficient, C1 could be suitable for output decoupling. For C2, consider increasing the capacitance to more closely align with the LM2678S-3.3/NOPB recommendations for input decoupling, if possible. If the current components are already part of the design and closely match these conditions, they could function adequately, but optimizing according to the recommendations would improve performance and reliability.
1y
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is the connections of Q3 is correct , will it completes the Q1 collector to emit...

@copilot is the connections of Q3 is correct , will it completes the Q1 collector to emitter to ground path if pin 1 of J3 gets a high signal from esp32 Gpio, provide me all the voltages and current measurements of this problem?
1y
To assess whether the connections of Q3 will correctly complete the Q1 collector to emitter path to ground when pin 1 of J3 receives a high signal from an ESP32 GPIO, let's break down the connections and analyze the voltages and currents involved. We'll also use typical values for calculations where necessary.
Connections Analysis
  • Pin 1 of J3 receives a high signal from the ESP32 GPIO. For the ESP32, a high signal is typically 3.3V.
  • Q3 is an optocoupler (PC817X1CSP9F), with its Pins: 1 (ANODE), 2 (CATHODE), 3 (EMITTER), 4 (COLLECTOR).
  • Q1 is a 2N2222 NPN transistor, with its Pins: 1 (E), 2 (B), 3 (C).
Based on the net connections:
  • Q3's ANODE (Pin 1) connects to J3:1. When J3:1 is high, Q3's LED inside will be on, assuming J3:1 provides enough current.
  • Q3's CATHODE (Pin 2) connects to LED2:A with LED2 connected to GND via its cathode. This ensures that the LED inside Q3 will light up when Pin 1 of J3 is high.
  • Q3's EMITTER (Pin 3) connects to R3:P1. And R3 connects to GND through Pin 2, thus providing a path to GND.
  • Q3's COLLECTOR (Pin 4) has not been directly mentioned to connect with Q1.
For Q3 to complete the Q1 collector to emitter path to ground when pin 1 of J3 gets a high signal:
  1. The LED in Q3 needs to turn on with the high signal, activating the phototransistor inside Q3.
  2. Q3's collector (assuming it connects appropriately, perhaps through other components or nets mentioned) would need to provide a path to complete Q1's circuit.
Voltage and Current Measurements
At Q3:
  • Using a 3.3V signal from the ESP32, assuming current limiting resistances are appropriately chosen (not specified directly in the nets), Q3's LED will turn on. The forward voltage drop across the LED inside Q3 (PC817X1CSP9F) is typically around 1.2V (typical for infrared LEDs in optocouplers).
For the Phototransistor inside Q3 to Active Q1:
  • The current through Q3's phototransistor would depend on the CTR (Current Transfer Ratio) of Q3. CTR for PC817 is 50% to 600% in general conditions, basing on the current passing through the internal LED.
  • If the output of Q3 effectively connects to Q1's base, the base current required to saturate Q1 (2N2222) can be very low, less than 1 mA could be sufficient (see base current for saturation VBE(Sat)V_{BE(Sat)} condition \approx 15mA for IC=150mAI_C = 150mA, which leads to a HFE (beta) roughly >10>10 in the worst case). This modest current need makes it likely that Q3's activation could indeed trigger Q1's conduction.
For Q1:
  • Once Q1 is active, its collector to emitter path will conduct, grounding the connected load if structured correctly.
Voltage across Q1 (VCE):
  • When saturated, VCE is minimal for 2N2222, around 0.3V as per datasheet values when in saturation for IC=150mAI_C = 150mA, IB=15mAI_B = 15mA.
Without the detailed schematic connections (especially current limits on Q3's LED, exact base connection of Q1, and resistor values), exact current calculations are challenging. However, this overview provides a general understanding of how the connection between Q3 and Q1 might be structured to accomplish the described functionality. Correct resistor values are crucial for appropriate LED current in Q3 and base current in Q1.
1y
how to connect K1?
1y
To properly connect the relay K1 (SRD-12VDC-SL-C), we need to consider its pin configuration and the role it plays within your circuit. The given relay is commonly used for switching applications, where it controls high-current loads with a low-current signal. Here is a general approach to connecting K1:
  1. Coil Pins (Typically Pins 1 and 2): The coil of the relay is what activates the switching mechanism when energized. It requires a specific voltage to operate, in this case, 12VDC. The coil connections can be determined by referencing the datasheet or looking for the coil symbol on the relay.
  2. Common (COM), Normally Open (NO), and Normally Closed (NC) Contacts (Typically PIns 3, 4, and 5): These pins are used for the relay's switching function. COM is the common pin, NO is connected to COM when the relay is energized, and NC is connected to COM when the relay is not energized.
Given the connections indicated in the project nets, here's how K1 should be connected within your project:
Coil Activation
  • Connect V1:ANODE to one side of K1's coil (the specific pin is not detailed in the project description; we'll assume it is Pin 1 for illustration purposes). This connection will supply the positive voltage needed to energize the coil.
  • The other side of the coil (let’s assume Pin 2 for illustration) needs to be connected to a suitable ground point. This could be through a switching transistor that controls the relay's activation. In this project, multiple connections are noted with K1:( ~), suggesting an indirect or complex connection possibly involving such a control mechanism.
Switching Contacts
  • COM (Pin 3) needs to be connected to the circuit that you want to control. This might be a power source or another key connection point in your circuit leading to the load.
  • NO (Pin 4) is connected to the load you wish to control. When the relay is activated, COM will connect to NO, allowing current to flow to the load.
  • NC (Pin 5) could be used if there is a need for a default connection when the relay is not energized. It connects to COM by default unless the coil is energized.
Specific Connections from the Project Nets
  • The nets mention connections like K1:( ~) without specifying a direct tie to other components in the net descriptions. This means the details on precisely which components or nets are connected to K1's coil and switching contacts will depend on the broader context of your circuit's intended functionality.
Important Considerations
  • Ensure the control signal (for the coil) does not exceed the relay's rated coil voltage (12VDC) and has enough current capability based on the relay's coil resistance.
  • The load connected via NO or NC must not exceed the relay's maximum switching capacity (voltage and current ratings for the contacts).
If there are any specific functionalities or conditions you'd like to achieve with K1 (e.g., timing concerns, inductive load considerations), please provide more details so that the guidance can be adjusted accordingly.
1y
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give me a suitable diode for these relay coil protection.

@copilot give me a suitable diode for these relay coil protection.
1y
For relay coil protection, diodes are used in a configuration known as a "flyback diode." The purpose of this diode is to protect the circuit from the high voltage spike generated when the magnetic field in the relay coil collapses upon de-energizing the coil. This spike could potentially damage other components in the circuit. The ideal diode for this purpose should have the following characteristics:
  • Reverse Voltage: Higher than the maximum operating voltage of the relay coil.
  • Forward Current: At least equal to or higher than the maximum current flowing through the relay coil.
  • Recovery Time: As short as possible, especially for relays that will be switched frequently.
Given that your relays are SRD-12VDC-SL-C, with a coil voltage of $12$V, a common choice for coil protection would be the 1N400x series of diodes. Specifically, the 1N4007 diode is a popular choice due to its high reverse voltage rating of $1000$V, which is well above the needed threshold, and a forward current rating of $1$A, which should suffice for the coil currents typical of the SRD-12VDC-SL-C relay.
How to Connect the 1N4007 Diode for Coil Protection:
  1. Orient the diode with the cathode (marked by a stripe on most diodes) connected to the positive supply voltage that powers the relay coil.
  2. Connect the anode of the diode to the end of the relay coil that connects to the switch or transistor driving the relay.
For each of your relays (K1, K2, K3, K4, K5, K6, K7, K8), you would connect a 1N4007 diode as follows (assuming the positive voltage supply is connected to pin 2 of the relays and the transistor/switch that drives the relay connects to pin 1):
  • Connect the cathode of the diode to Kx:2 (where x is the relay number).
  • Connect the anode of the diode to Kx:1.
This provides a path for the current when the relay coil is de-energized, effectively protecting your circuit components from the potentially damaging voltage spike.
1y
give me the best transistor to drive the relay.
1y
Driving a relay like the SRD-12VDC-SL-C requires a transistor that can handle both the voltage and current requirements of the relay coil, as well as posses a suitable gain (hFE) to be fully driven by the control signal (typically from a microcontroller or similar low-power source).
For the SRD-12VDC-SL-C relay, the coil voltage is $12\text{V}$, and the coil resistance is typically around $400\Omega$. This means the coil current ($I_{coil}$) can be calculated using Ohm's Law:
Icoil=VcoilRcoil=12V400Ω=0.03A=30mAI_{coil} = \frac{V_{coil}}{R_{coil}} = \frac{12V}{400\Omega} = 0.03A = 30mA
Transistor Requirements:
  1. Collector-Emitter Voltage ($V_{CE}$): Should be greater than $12V$, considering some safety margin, a transistor with $V_{CE}$ of at least $20V$ would be advisable.
  2. Collector Current ($I_C$): Should be higher than the coil current; a transistor that can handle at least $100mA$ would provide a good safety margin.
  3. Gain (hFE/Beta): The transistor should have a sufficient current gain to be fully saturated by the input control signal. Assuming the control signal can provide a current of $5mA$, a transistor with an hFE of at least $100$ at the operating current would be adequate.
  4. Switching Speed: Fast enough to handle the relay operation speed, which is generally not a critical parameter for standard relays.
Recommendation:
A very common and suitable NPN transistor for this application is the 2N2222A.
2N2222A Specifications:
  • $V_{CE}$: $40V$ (max)
  • $I_C$: $800mA$ (max)
  • $hFE$: $100$ to $300$ at $10mA$, $V_{CE} = 10V$
To drive the SRD-12VDC-SL-C relay with a 2N2222A, the basic connection would be:
  • Collector: Connected to one end of the relay coil.
  • Emitter: Grounded.
  • Base: Connected to the control signal (e.g., from a microcontroller) through a suitable resistor to limit the base current.
Calculating the Base Resistor ($R_B$):
Using a control signal voltage ($V_{ctrl}$) of $5V$ typical for many microcontrollers, and aiming for a base current ($I_B$) that is about $1/10$ of the $I_C$ required to drive the relay (to ensure saturation of the transistor):
IB=IC10=30mA10=3mAI_B = \frac{I_C}{10} = \frac{30mA}{10} = 3mA
Using Ohm's Law and assuming a $V_{BE}$ of $0.7V$:
RB=VctrlVBEIB=5V0.7V3mA1.43kΩR_B = \frac{V_{ctrl} - V_{BE}}{I_B} = \frac{5V - 0.7V}{3mA} \approx 1.43k\Omega
A standard value of $1.4k\Omega$ or $1.5k\Omega$ for $R_B$ would work well.
Connection Summary:
  • Connect the 2N2222A Collector to the relay coil one end (Kx:1 where x corresponds to the relay number).
  • Connect the 2N2222A Emitter to Ground.
  • Connect the 2N2222A Base to the control signal through a $1.5k\Omega$ resistor.
This setup will allow you to reliably drive the SRD-12VDC-SL-C relay with most control signals. Adjust the base resistor value if your control voltage differs from $5V$.
1y
Give me the best isolater for this 8 channel relay module which is going to be controlled by ESP32, Also provide the connection scheme
1y
For isolating an 8-channel relay module controlled by an ESP32, the primary concern is to protect the ESP32 from any potential harmful voltages or currents that could be generated by the relay or the load it's switching. Optoisolators, also known as optocouplers, are ideally suited for this purpose because they allow the ESP32 to control the relays with light signals, ensuring electrical isolation.
Optoisolator Choice:
A suitable optoisolator for this application would be the PC817. The PC817 is a widely available, inexpensive device capable of transferring electrical signals using light waves to maintain electrical isolation between its input and output.
PC817 Specifications:
  • Input Forward Voltage: Typically 1.2V at IF = 20mA
  • Collector-Emitter Voltage (VCEO): 35V (min)
  • Collector Current: 50mA
  • Current Transfer Ratio (CTR): 50% to 600% at IF = 5mA
Given that each I/O pin of the ESP32 can provide a maximum current of about 12mA, and assuming a forward current (IF) of 10mA for each PC817 (a moderate value ensuring a good lifespan and operation), the PC817 is suitable for the ESP32's output capability.
Connection Scheme: ESP32 to PC817:
For each of the 8 channels, do the following:
  1. Calculate the series resistor for the LED inside the PC817 to limit the forward current to about 10mA. Assuming a 3.3V GPIO output from the ESP32,
    R=VGPIOVFIF=3.3V1.2V10mA=210ΩR = \frac{V_{GPIO} - V_{F}}{I_F} = \frac{3.3V - 1.2V}{10mA} = 210\Omega
    A standard 220Ω resistor would be suitable.
  2. Connect the ESP32 GPIO pin to one end of the 220Ω resistor. Connect the other end of the resistor to the Anode (pin 1) of the PC817. Connect the Cathode (pin 2) of the PC817 to GND.
PC817 to Relay Module:
For the output side of each PC817:
  1. Connect the Collector (pin 4) of the PC817 to the relay control input. Please note, the relay module might already have pull-up resistors or be active low; adapt this connection accordingly. If the relay module is designed for 5V control signals and has no built-in current limiting resistors, you might need to add a series resistor or ensure the voltage levels are compatible.
  2. Connect the Emitter (pin 3) of the PC817 to the Ground shared by the ESP32 and the relay module (if the relay module and the ESP32 share a common ground, which they should for signal reference purposes).
Connection Summary:
  • GPIO Pin (ESP32)220Ω ResistorPin 1 (Anode of PC817)
  • Pin 2 (Cathode of PC817)GND (ESP32)
  • Pin 4 (Collector of PC817)Relay Module Control Input
  • Pin 3 (Emitter of PC817)GND (Common for ESP32 and Relay Module)
This setup achieves electrical isolation between your ESP32 and the relay module, protecting your microcontroller from any electrical disturbances generated by the switching activities of the relays. Always double-check the relay module's specifications, as some modules come with built-in optoisolation, potentially simplifying your design.
1y
should i remove the transistor, if i have a isolator in the circuit?
1y
Whether to remove the transistor when using an optoisolator (isolator) in the circuit largely depends on the specifics of your application and the characteristics of the components involved. Here are key considerations to help you make an informed decision:
Current and Voltage Requirements of the Relay
Optoisolators like the PC817 can directly drive loads that require less than 50mA of current. Since the PC817's output (collector current) can support up to 50mA, you need to consider the current required to activate the relay's coil. If the relay coil requires more current than the optoisolator can handle, you'll still need a transistor to amplify the current from the optoisolator to the relay.
Built-in Transistor in the Optoisolator
Many optoisolators, including the PC817, have a phototransistor at their outputs. This means they can act as switches themselves for relatively low currents. If the current required to activate the relay is within the handling capability of the optoisolator's output transistor, then an additional external transistor might not be necessary.
Voltage Levels
Check the voltage levels required to drive the relay. The optoisolator's transistor typically has a lower voltage drop across it when conducting, compared to a standalone transistor in saturation. Ensure that the voltage level after the optoisolator is sufficient to activate the relay.
Speed Requirements
If your application requires fast switching, the speed at which the optoisolator (and its internal transistor) operates versus an external transistor could be a deciding factor. Optoisolators generally have a slower response time compared to directly using a transistor. This might not be an issue for relays, given their relatively slow switching speed, but it's worth considering for other applications.
Integration and Space Considerations
Using an optoisolator without an additional transistor simplifies the circuit, reducing the number of components and potentially saving space on your PCB or in your project enclosure.
So, Should You Remove the Transistor?
  • Yes, if the current required by the relay coil is within the optoisolator's handling capability and if the other conditions (voltage levels, switching speed) are met satisfactorily by the optoisolator alone.
  • No, if the relay requires more current than the optoisolator can provide, or if the optoisolator cannot supply sufficient voltage to the relay due to the voltage drop across the internal transistor.
For a typical setup using the SRD-12VDC-SL-C relay and the PC817 optoisolator controlling it from something like an ESP32:
  • If the relay coil current is below 50mA and the control signal provided through the PC817 can sufficiently activate the relay, you can remove the external transistor.
  • If the relay requires a higher coil current or if there are other concerns not addressed by the optoisolator alone, keep the transistor in the circuit for amplification purposes.
It's always best to refer to the datasheets of your specific components for the most accurate decision-making information.
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