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Hello, Please help me to design a circuit that exactly like industrial inductive

@copilot Hello, Please help me to design a circuit that exactly like industrial inductive
1y
Sure! Designing an inductive sensor circuit is a great project. Inductive sensors are commonly used in industrial applications to detect the presence of metallic objects without contact.
Basic Components Needed
  1. Coil (Inductor)
  2. Oscillator Circuit (to generate AC signal)
  3. Demodulator/Rectifier Circuit (to process the signal from the oscillator)
  4. Comparator (to provide a digital output)
  5. Power Supply
  6. Miscellaneous components: Resistors, Capacitors, Diodes
Circuit Overview
Here's a simplified block diagram for an inductive sensor:
  1. Oscillator: Generates a high-frequency AC signal.
  2. Inductive Coil: The presence of a metallic object will change the inductance of the coil.
  3. Detection Circuit: Processes the signal and generates a change in voltage when a metal object is near.
  4. Comparator: Converts the analog signal to a digital signal indicating presence or absence of the object.
Assumptions
  • Supply Voltage: 12V
  • Coil inductance: 100µH
  • Oscillator frequency: 1MHz
Step-by-Step Connections
  1. Oscillator Circuit:
    • Use a Colpitts oscillator with an inductor L1L1 and capacitors C1C1, C2C2 to generate the high-frequency signal.
    • Connect the junction of the capacitors to the base of the NPN transistor Q1Q1.
  2. Coil:
    • Connect the coil L1L1 as part of the oscillator circuit.
  3. Detection Circuit:
    • Connect a diode D1D1 and a capacitor C3C3 to rectify and filter the signal from the oscillator.
    • The resistor R1R1 sets the time constant for filtering.
  4. Comparator:
    • Use an operational amplifier (op-amp) in comparator configuration.
    • Connect the output of the detection circuit to the inverting input of the op-amp U1:U1:-.
    • Connect a reference voltage to the non-inverting input of the op-amp U1:+U1:+. This reference voltage determines the threshold for detection.
  5. Output:
    • The output of the comparator is a digital signal which goes High or Low depending on the presence of the metallic object.
Specific Connections
  • Connect Power (12V) to V_CC of the oscillator and the op-amp.
  • Connect GND of the circuit to the common ground.
Below is a more specific connection instruction:
  • Oscillator:
    • Connect Q1:CollectorQ1:Collector to VCCV_CC.
    • Connect Q1:EmitterQ1:Emitter to GNDGND.
    • Connect Q1:BaseQ1:Base to the junction of C1C1 and C2C2 and the emitter via L1L1.
  • Rectifier:
    • Connect L1L1 to D1:AnodeD1:Anode, D1:CathodeD1:Cathode to C3:1C3:1 and R1:1R1:1, then C3:2C3:2 to GNDGND.
  • Comparator:
    • Connect R1:2R1:2 to U1:U1:-.
    • Connect ReferenceVoltageReference Voltage to U1:+U1:+.
    • Connect U1:OutputU1:Output to the digital output pin for further processing.
Schematic Representation
To draw this in Flux, you would place the components, making the specific connections as shown above.
Feel free to add more details or customize based on your exact requirements. Does this align with what you had in mind, or would you need adjustments or further details?
1y
hi, How can i using a diode for preventing inductive sensor from bursting of wrong connecting the output wires to DC source?
1y
To prevent damage to your inductive sensor from accidental reverse polarity or wrong connections, you can use a diode to protect the circuit. This is commonly done with a diode in series or parallel as a reverse polarity protection diode. Here’s how you can implement this:
Series Diode for Reverse Polarity Protection
  1. Diode Selection: Choose a Schottky diode like a 1N5819, known for its low forward voltage drop, to minimize power loss in the circuit.
  2. Connection:
    • Place the diode in series with the power supply line (e.g., the positive supply line).
    • Connect the anode of the diode to the positive terminal of your DC source.
    • Connect the cathode of the diode to the V_CC of the sensor circuit.
This setup ensures that if the power is connected with reverse polarity, the diode will block the current, preventing any damage to the circuit.
Schematic Representation
  • Diode Placement:
    • Connect D2:Anode to DC source:Positive terminal.
    • Connect D2:Cathode to Sensor Circuit:V_CC.
  1. Explanation:
    • Normal Operation: When the supply is correctly connected, the diode conducts, and the circuit operates normally.
    • Reverse Polarity Protection: If the supply is reversed, the diode blocks the current flow, protecting the circuit from damage.
Feel free to integrate this into your design in Flux. Would you need further clarification, or is there anything else I can help you with regarding your project?
1y
yes, I need more clarification. you using only one diode in series of VCC line, why you dont use another diode in Ground line?
1y
Using a single diode in series on the VCC line is typically sufficient for reverse polarity protection because it blocks current flow if the voltage is reversed. Placing an additional diode in the ground line isn't commonly needed and can result in a floating ground issue, which might cause the circuit to not function correctly. Here's why:
Single Diode Protection
  • Forward Bias: When the diode is forward-biased (correct polarity), it allows current to flow to the circuit with a minimal voltage drop.
  • Reverse Bias: When the polarity is reversed, the diode becomes reverse-biased and prevents current from reaching the circuit, thus protecting it.
Why Not Use a Diode in the Ground Line?
  1. Ground Reference: Ground serves as a reference point for all potential measurements in the circuit. Adding a diode here could disrupt this reference.
  2. Voltage Drop Issues: Adding a diode in the ground line introduces another voltage drop, which can affect the performance of sensitive circuits.
  3. Potential Loops: It could create unexpected potential differences, leading to dysfunction in interconnected systems.
Additional Protection Methods
Instead of adding a diode to the ground line, consider these alternatives:
  1. Use a Polyfuse or Resettable Fuse: Protects against overcurrent conditions which can also occur with incorrect connections.
  2. Use a TVS Diode: Protects against voltage spikes that might occur during switching or due to external conditions.
  3. Correct Power Supply Design: Ensure the power supply has built-in protections for reverse polarity.
By keeping the ground path clean from diodes, you maintain consistent reference voltage across your circuit. Does this clarify your inquiry about using only one diode? Would you like to know more about alternative protection methods or further details?
1y
please tell me, how using your suggestions, 1 and 2. and when I could using parallel diode between VCC and ground for reverser polarity protection?
1y
Certainly! Let’s delve into methods 1 and 2 for additional protection and when to use a parallel diode between VCC and ground for reverse polarity protection.
Polyfuse (Resettable Fuse)
  1. Purpose: Protects the circuit by limiting the current in the event of an overcurrent or short circuit.
  2. Working: It behaves like a resistor that increases in resistance when heated by excessive current, effectively limiting the current flow.
  3. Connection:
    • Place the polyfuse in series with the power supply line, right after the diode.
    • Connection: Place it between the diode and the circuit’s VCCV_{CC} line.
    • Example: Connect Polyfuse:1 to D2:Cathode, and Polyfuse:2 to Sensor Circuit:VCCV_{CC}.
  4. Types: Polyfuses have different ratings; select one appropriate for your circuit's maximum current needs.
TVS Diode (Transient Voltage Suppression Diode)
  1. Purpose: Protects against voltage spikes and transients which can occur due to switching or external interference.
  2. Working: It clamps excess voltage and shunts it to ground, preventing it from passing into the circuit.
  3. Connection:
    • Connect a TVS diode in parallel with the power rails (across VCCV_{CC} and GND).
    • Connection: Connect TVS:Anode to GND, and TVS:Cathode to VCCV_{CC}.
    • Ensure the TVS diode's reverse breakdown voltage is slightly higher than the normal operating voltage.
Parallel Diode for Reverse Polarity Protection
In some cases, a diode is placed across the VCC and ground line for reverse polarity protection. However, this setup usually requires the additional use of a fuse:
  1. Working: If the power is connected in reverse, the diode conducts, creating a short circuit that blows a fuse, thus preventing damage to the circuit.
  2. Components Needed: You must use a fuse in series with the power line to allow the diode to "short" safely by breaking the circuit when reversed.
  3. Connection:
    • Parallel Diode: Connect Diode:Anode to GND and Diode:Cathode to VCCV_{CC}.
    • Fuse: Connect in series before the diode, between the power supply and the diode.
This method is less common as it relies on intentionally creating a short circuit to protect your design, hence why series protection with a diode is generally preferred for simplicity and reliability.
Using these methods together helps create a robust design that can withstand common faults and mishaps in connectivity. Let me know if you need further clarification or additional information!
1y
yes, I wanna design a cuirct protection for me, betwenn my VCC , Ground line of my circuit and positive and negative line of my power supply with thses informations. my VCC maximum voltage is 24, and maximum current that is used is 50mA
1y
Great! Let's design a protection circuit for your power supply with 24V DC and a maximum current of 50mA using a combination of the techniques we've discussed.
Components Required
  1. Schottky Diode (for series protection):
    • Part suggestion: Use a diode like the 1N5819, rated for at least 24V and over 50mA.
  2. Polyfuse (Resettable fuse):
    • Choose a polyfuse rated around 60-100mA, allowing for some margin beyond the 50mA.
  3. TVS Diode (Transient Voltage Suppression):
    • Choose a TVS diode that has a breakdown voltage slightly above 24V. A 30V rated part would be suitable.
Circuit Design
Here’s how to connect these components for effective protection:
  1. Series Schottky Diode for Reverse Polarity Protection:
    • Placement: Place the diode in series with the VCC line from your power supply.
    • Connection:
      • Connect D1:Anode to Power Source:Positive Line.
      • Connect D1:Cathode to Polyfuse:1.
  2. Polyfuse for Overcurrent Protection:
    • Placement: Place it in series after the Schottky diode to protect against overcurrent.
    • Connection:
      • Connect Polyfuse:1 to D1:Cathode.
      • Connect Polyfuse:2 to $V_{CC}$ line of Circuit.
  3. TVS Diode for Voltage Spike Protection:
    • Placement: Connect in parallel across the supply rails (VCC and Ground).
    • Connection:
      • Connect TVS:Anode to GND line of Circuit.
      • Connect TVS:Cathode to $V_{CC}$ after the polyfuse.
Schematic Overview
The schematic would look like this:

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   +24V ---->|----[ Polyfuse ]----> Circuit V_CC
             |
           [ TVS Diode ]
             |
   GND ----------------------------> Circuit GND
Considerations
  • Ensure that the polyfuse rating is slightly higher than your maximum current (50mA), so normal operation doesn't trigger it.
  • The TVS diode should clamp voltages above 24V, ensuring protection against transients while being inactive during normal operation.
  • The series Schottky diode will drop some voltage (usually 0.3V to 0.5V for Schottky's), so your circuit will see a slightly lower voltage.
Would you like adjustments based on specific requirements or additional guidance for implementation in Flux?
1y
1- Could you give me the part number for TVS diode and polyduse?
2- Please Specify the location of schottkey diode in your schematic.
1y
Certainly! I'll suggest some specific parts for the TVS diode and polyfuse that would suit your needs, and clarify the placement of the Schottky diode in the schematic.
1. Parts Recommendations
TVS Diode:
  • Part Number: SMBJ30A
    • Specifications: 30V breakdown voltage, 600W peak pulse power capability.
Polyfuse (Resettable Fuse):
  • Part Number: RUE090
    • Specifications: 90mA rated current, which allows for a safe margin beyond your circuit's 50mA requirement.
2. Schematic Location for Schottky Diode
The Schottky diode, responsible for reverse polarity protection, should be the first component connected to your power supply's positive terminal. Here’s how to incorporate it:

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Power Supply (+24V) ----$$D1:Schottky Diode (1N5819)$$----$$Polyfuse: RUE090$$----> Circuit V_CC
                           |
                         $$TVS Diode: SMBJ30A$$
                           |
Power Supply (GND) -----------------------------------------------> Circuit GND
Descriptions:
  • Schottky Diode 1N5819:
    • Placement: Right after the positive terminal of the power supply.
    • Function: Protects against reverse polarity by blocking reverse current.
  • Polyfuse (RUE090):
    • Placement: In series after the Schottky diode.
    • Function: Trips to limit current when it exceeds the rated current, providing overcurrent protection.
  • TVS Diode (SMBJ30A):
    • Placement: Connected across the VCC and GND lines (parallel).
    • Function: Protects against transients and voltage spikes.
This design should effectively protect your circuit against reverse polarity, overcurrent, and voltage transients. Let me know if this aligns with your requirements or if there's anything else I can assist with!
1y
your tvs diode with 12.4A is not OverRated? and the locat of tvs diode, one leg Between VCC and polyfuse, and another to ground?
1y
Let's address both your concerns regarding the TVS diode current rating and its placement.
1. TVS Diode Rating
The high current rating (12.4A) of the SMBJ30A might seem excessive given your usage at 50mA, but it's important to clarify that the current specification of a TVS diode refers to its ability to handle transient spike currents, not the continuous current flowing in your circuit. Here’s why:
  • Purpose: TVS diodes are designed to absorb voltage transients by clamping them, often dealing with very high peak currents over brief periods (microseconds).
  • Continuous Operation: The TVS diode doesn't carry the circuit's normal operational current; it remains inactive under normal conditions.
Thus, while the normal current through your circuit is 50mA, the diode's ability to handle 12.4A of transient current ensures it's robust against voltage spikes that could occur.
2. Correct Placement of the TVS Diode
The connection you described for the TVS diode is correct. Here's a clearer explanation:
  • One leg of the TVS diode should connect to the junction between the cathode of the Schottky diode (after the polyfuse) and the circuit's VCC line.
  • The other leg should connect to the ground line (GND) of your circuit.
Schematic Placement:

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Power Supply (+24V) ----$D1:Schottky Diode (1N5819)$----$Polyfuse: RUE090$----> Circuit V_CC
                           |
                        $TVS Diode: SMBJ30A$
                           |
Power Supply (GND) -----------------------------------------------> Circuit GND
This setup ensures that any voltage spikes are clamped and safely diverted to ground, protecting your circuit components effectively.
If you need adjustments or further clarification, feel free to ask!
1y
ok, I undersand it, thanks.
I have another questions: 1- Please give me partnumbers in dip format, not smb.
2- I have another witre from my inductive sensor, output wire. Should i protect it from reverse polarity?
1y
Certainly! Let's address your new questions regarding the part numbers in DIP format and the protection for the output wire.
1. Part Numbers in DIP Format
Finding TVS diodes and polyfuses in a DIP format can be challenging as these components are generally surface-mount or through-hole but not necessarily in a DIP package. However, I can provide alternatives in through-hole format, which are easier to handle and can be mounted on breadboards or PCBs.
TVS Diode (Through-Hole Alternative):
  • Part Number: 1.5KE30A
    • Specifications: 30V breakdown voltage, 1500W peak pulse power.
Polyfuse (Through-Hole Alternative):
  • Part Number: RTE050
    • Specifications: 50mA hold current, suitable for your application.
2. Protecting the Output Wire from Reverse Polarity
If your application involves connecting the output wire of the inductive sensor to external devices or systems, you might consider adding protection to prevent damage from incorrect connections:
  • Schottky Diode: A series Schottky diode can prevent reverse current if the output wire is connected with incorrect polarity.
  • Placement:
    • Connect the anode of the diode to the output pin of the sensor.
    • Connect the cathode of the diode to the external connection.
Example:
Sensor Output ----$Schottky Diode:Anode$----$Schottky Diode:Cathode$----> External Connection
Using a series diode will ensure that no reverse current flows back into your sensor, helping protect it in cases where the connections might be reversed unintentionally.
Feel free to let me know if there's anything more specific you need, or if I can help further with your design!
1y
I think your partnumber of polyfuse is wrong. because rue090 limit current is 900mA and RTE050 has limit current of 500mA.
1y
I apologize for the oversight. Let's find a polyfuse that better suits your 50mA maximum operating current requirement.
Correct Polyfuse Recommendation
Given your needs:
  • Ideal Hold Current: Slightly above 50mA to prevent nuisance tripping.
  • Trip Current: Should be noticeable above your operating current but not excessively high.
Here is a more suitable choice:
Polyfuse:
  • Part Number: RUE065 (or similar)
    • Hold Current: 65mA
    • Trip Current: Approximately 130mA
This should provide a good balance, allowing for your nominal operation at 50mA while protecting against substantially higher currents.
Ensuring Protection Balance
Ensure your components are within specifications and margins appropriate for your circuit's operation. If you have more specific needs or context beyond this, consider these when selecting any part, and feel free to refine with exact ratings as needed.
Let me know if there's anything else you need, or if you have more questions!
1y
in the polyfuse selection, what is important? Current or Volatge?. That means I used this polyfuse for current limit or over-voltage?
1y
In the context of using a polyfuse (also known as a resettable fuse or PPTC), the key parameter that you focus on is current. Let's break this down:
Key Purpose of a Polyfuse
  • Current Limiting Protection: A polyfuse is primarily used to protect against overcurrent situations. It is designed to limit current by increasing its resistance when a specified current threshold, the trip current, is exceeded.
Key Parameters for Polyfuse Selection
  1. Hold Current ($I_{\text{hold}}$):
    • This is the maximum current the polyfuse can carry indefinitely without tripping.
    • Should be slightly above your circuit's normal operating current to avoid nuisance tripping.
  2. Trip Current ($I_{\text{trip}}$):
    • The minimum current that will cause the polyfuse to trip and significantly increase its resistance.
    • This should be above your normal operating current but below what would cause damage to your circuit.
  3. Voltage Rating:
    • Although the focus is on current, the polyfuse must also have a voltage rating equal to or greater than the maximum voltage in your circuit to ensure safe operation.
    • This ensures the polyfuse can block the circuit voltage when tripped and is capable of operating safely across your voltage range.
Use Case Explanation
  • Overcurrent Protection: The polyfuse responds to excessive current by heating up and transitioning from a low-resistance state to a high-resistance state, thus limiting the current flow and protecting downstream components.
  • Voltage Consideration: The voltage rating ensures that once tripped, the polyfuse can withstand the circuit's voltage without breaking down or causing further issues.
Not for Over-Voltage Protection
  • Polyfuses are not designed to protect against over-voltage conditions. Over-voltage events are best managed by components like TVS diodes, which can clamp excessive voltages and protect your circuit.
Does this answer help clarify the primary role and selection criteria for a polyfuse in your application? Let me know if you have further questions!
1y
I using same schottkey diode for output wire?
1y
Yes, you can use a Schottky diode for protecting the output wire of your inductive sensor. Schottky diodes are useful for protecting against reverse polarity due to their low forward voltage drop and fast switching speed.
How to Implement a Schottky Diode for Output Protection
Purpose:
  • Protect the sensor output from incorrect wiring.
  • Prevent reverse currents from damaging the output circuitry.
Selection Criteria:
  • Choose a Schottky diode with a current rating that matches or exceeds the output current capabilities of your sensor.
  • Ensure the reverse voltage rating of the diode is comfortably above your circuit's expected maximum voltage to avoid breakdown.
Connection:
  • Connect the anode of the Schottky diode to the sensor's output pin.
  • Connect the cathode of the Schottky diode to the point where you want to connect the output, such as an external device or input pin.
Schematic Example:

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Sensor Output ----$Schottky Diode:Anode$----$Schottky Diode:Cathode$----> External Connection
Recommended Part:
  • Part Number: 1N5819
    • Specifications: 40V reverse voltage, 1A forward current.
This setup will ensure that if the external circuit is connected with incorrect polarity, the diode will not conduct, thus protecting the sensor's output stage.
Note:
  • Double-check that the Schottky diode's specifications meet the current and voltage levels expected from your sensor output.
1y
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