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@docbrown how would I optimize this circuit for desense?

Designing a circuit for desense (reducing interference) can be a complex task that involves many factors, but I'll provide some general guidelines to help address the issue:
  1. Grounding and Supply Decoupling: To reduce power supply noise, place decoupling capacitors (e.g. C1 and C2) as close as possible to IC power supply pins (e.g. U1's VDD and VSS pins). Ensure that ground planes are continuous and connected through low-impedance paths (e.g. stitching vias on multilayer PCBs).
  2. Analog and Digital Separation: Separate analog and digital components and traces on your schematic and PCB layout. Keep digital and high-speed signals away from analog or sensitive signal paths to minimize crosstalk.
  3. Shielding: If the circuit contains any RF or other high-frequency signals (which could generate significant EMI), consider using shielded enclosures or ground planes to isolate sensitive components in the design.
  4. Manage Return Current Paths: Route high-speed signals and their return current paths close together. This reduces the loop area and thus the emitted magnetic field.
  5. Controlled Impedance: For high-speed signal traces, use controlled impedance routing techniques such as microstrip or stripline. This helps prevent signal reflections and minimizes interference.
  6. Differential Signaling: If possible, use differential signaling for critical data paths. Differential signals help to reduce EMI by canceling the fields generated by the signal paths.
  7. Short Traces: Keep trace lengths as short as possible, especially for high-speed signals. Longer traces increase the chance of interference.
  8. Filter Noisy Signals: Implement filtering on noisy or sensitive signal lines with appropriate RC filters, ferrite beads, or inductors.
While optimizing a circuit for desense can be challenging, following these guidelines can help minimize interference and improve the performance of your design. Remember, every circuit is different, so you should analyze the specific desense requirements for your design and apply the appropriate techniques.
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@docbrown how would I optimize this circuit for desense?
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@docbrown can you do resistor selection for current limiting LED1 and LED2 while...

Great Scott! We're going to do some calculations to determine the optimal limiting resistors for LED1 and LED2 when driven by the microcontroller U1.
First, we need the forward voltage (Vf) and max current (If) specifications for each LED, as well as the output voltage (Vout) from U1.
LED1:
  • Forward voltage (Vf): 2V
  • Max current (If): 20mA
LED2 (HSMH-C190):
  • Forward voltage (Vf): Typical 1.9V, Max 2.6V (According to the datasheet)
  • Max current (If): 20mA (Industry standard for this type of LED)
Now, let's assume the U1 output voltage (Vout) is the same as the supply voltage (Vcc), which is 3.3V.
Oh dear! Since LED2 has a maximum forward voltage of 2.6V, we'll be using this value for our calculations to ensure compatibility.
To calculate the resistor value for each LED, we use Ohm's Law, R = (Vout - Vf) / If.
LED1 limiting resistor: R1 = (3.3V - 2V) / 20mA = 1.3V / 20mA = 65Ω Choose the closest standard value, such as 68Ω, with a power rating of at least 1.3V * 20mA = 26mW, so a 0603 68Ω 1/10W resistor would suffice.
LED2 limiting resistor: R2 = (3.3V - 2.6V) / 20mA = 0.7V / 20mA = 35Ω Choose the closest standard value, such as 36Ω, with a power rating of at least 0.7V * 20mA = 14mW, so a 0603 36Ω 1/10W resistor would suffice.
Remember, Marty, double-check your calculations before making any final connections!
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@docbrown can you do resistor selection for current limiting LED1 and LED2 while being driven by U1?
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@docbrown is U1 getting an appropriate power supply?

Great Scott! According to the schematic, the microcontroller U1 (STM32F030C6T6) is connected to the 3.3V power rail (3V3) through net 0. Capacitors C1 (10uF) and C2 (1uF) are connected across the 3.3V supply (VDD) and ground (GND) to stabilize the voltage and reduce noise.
Yes, U1 is getting an appropriate power supply, provided that the 3V3 power rail is supplying 3.3 volts. This voltage level is within the recommended operating voltage range for the STM32F030C6T6 microcontroller, which is 2.4V to 3.6V. Make sure that the power supply generating the 3.3V rail is capable of delivering enough current for the microcontroller and other connected components on that rail.
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@docbrown is U1 getting an appropriate power supply?
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@docbrown how should I connect to BOOT0 and NRST?

Great Scott! To connect to BOOT0 and NRST pins of the STM32F030C6T6 microcontroller (U1), you'll need to follow these guidelines:
  1. BOOT0 (Pin 44): Connect this pin to either VDD or GND, depending on the desired boot mode. For normal operation, connect it to GND. If you want to access the bootloader, connect it to VDD (3.3V). You can use a pull-up or pull-down resistor (typically 10kΩ) to achieve this. If you want to control BOOT0 during runtime, connect it to a GPIO or a switch that allows you to choose between VDD and GND.
  2. NRST (Pin 7): The NRST pin is used to reset the microcontroller. You can connect it to an external push-button or a reset circuit with a pull-up resistor (typically 10kΩ) to VDD (3.3V). Additionally, you can add a small capacitor (e.g., 100nF) between NRST and GND for noise filtering and debouncing if using a push-button. If you would like to reset the microcontroller through another device or a GPIO, you can connect it to that device's reset output or a GPIO in open-drain configuration, respectively.
Remember to check the microcontroller's datasheet for any specific requirements or recommendations for these connections.
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@docbrown how should I connect to BOOT0 and NRST?
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@docbrown can you write firmware for U1 to toggle the LEDs at 50Hz

Sure! Based on the netlist, it appears that LED1 is connected to U1:PA0 and LED2 is connected to U1:PA2. Here's a full version of the code with the correct GPIO port and pin numbers for your design:

C


#include "stm32f0xx_hal.h"

/* Private function prototypes */
void SystemClock_Config(void);
static void MX_GPIO_Init(void);

int main(void)
{
  /* Reset of all peripherals and initialize the Flash interface and the Systick. */
  HAL_Init();

  /* Configure the system clock */
  SystemClock_Config();

  /* Initialize all configured peripherals */
  MX_GPIO_Init();

  /* Infinite loop */
  while (1)
  {
    HAL_GPIO_TogglePin(GPIOA, GPIO_PIN_0); // LED1 connected to PA0
    HAL_GPIO_TogglePin(GPIOA, GPIO_PIN_2); // LED2 connected to PA2
    HAL_Delay(10); // Delay 10ms for a 50Hz toggle rate
  }
}

/* SystemClock_Config is generated by STM32CubeMX, don't forget to copy it from your project */

static void MX_GPIO_Init(void)
{
  GPIO_InitTypeDef GPIO_InitStruct = {0};

  /* GPIO Ports Clock Enable */
  __HAL_RCC_GPIOA_CLK_ENABLE();

  /* LED1 (PA0) and LED2 (PA2) Configuration */
  GPIO_InitStruct.Pin = GPIO_PIN_0 | GPIO_PIN_2;
  GPIO_InitStruct.Mode = GPIO_MODE_OUTPUT_PP;
  GPIO_InitStruct.Pull = GPIO_NOPULL;
  GPIO_InitStruct.Speed = GPIO_SPEED_FREQ_LOW;
  HAL_GPIO_Init(GPIOA, &GPIO_InitStruct);
}
This code initializes the GPIO for LED1 and LED2 and toggles them at a 50Hz rate. Remember to initialize and configure your project in STM32CubeMX or another IDE for the STM32F030C6T6 microcontroller.
2y
@docbrown you made two suggestions, can you please make those suggestions in the code you provided and print the full version of the code using the pin names from the netlist
2y
Sure! I can provide you with a simple firmware example for STM32F030C6T6 (U1) to toggle LED1 and LED2 at 50Hz. Assuming you're using STM32CubeIDE or a similar development environment, let's start with the firmware code:

C


#include "stm32f0xx_hal.h"

/* Private function prototypes */
void SystemClock_Config(void);
static void MX_GPIO_Init(void);

int main(void)
{
  /* Reset of all peripherals and initialize the Flash interface and the Systick. */
  HAL_Init();

  /* Configure the system clock */
  SystemClock_Config();

  /* Initialize all configured peripherals */
  MX_GPIO_Init();

  /* Infinite loop */
  while (1)
  {
    HAL_GPIO_TogglePin(GPIOx, LED1_PIN); // Replace GPIOx with the correct GPIO Port, and LED1_PIN with the correct pin number
    HAL_GPIO_TogglePin(GPIOx, LED2_PIN); // Replace GPIOx with the correct GPIO Port, and LED2_PIN with the correct pin number
    HAL_Delay(10); // Delay 10ms for a 50Hz toggle rate
  }
}

/* SystemClock_Config is generated by STM32CubeMX, don't forget to copy it from your project */

static void MX_GPIO_Init(void)
{
  GPIO_InitTypeDef GPIO_InitStruct = {0};

  /* GPIO Ports Clock Enable */
  __HAL_RCC_GPIOx_CLK_ENABLE(); // Replace GPIOx with the correct GPIO Port

  /* LED1 and LED2 Configuration */
  GPIO_InitStruct.Pin = LED1_PIN | LED2_PIN; // Replace LED1_PIN and LED2_PIN with the correct pin numbers
  GPIO_InitStruct.Mode = GPIO_MODE_OUTPUT_PP;
  GPIO_InitStruct.Pull = GPIO_NOPULL;
  GPIO_InitStruct.Speed = GPIO_SPEED_FREQ_LOW;
  HAL_GPIO_Init(GPIOx, &GPIO_InitStruct); // Replace GPIOx with the correct GPIO Port
}
There are a few things to replace in the code:
  1. Replace GPIOx with the correct GPIO port for both LED1 and LED2 pins.
  2. Replace LED1_PIN and LED2_PIN with the correct pin numbers for LED1 and LED2, respectively.
For more accurate timings and control, consider using a hardware timer instead of the software-delay method shown above.
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@docbrown can you write firmware for U1 to toggle the LEDs at 50Hz
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@docbrown does R1 have an appropriate power rating for the circuit?

To determine if R1 has an appropriate power rating for the circuit, we first need to calculate the power dissipation in the resistor. R1 is a 68Ω resistor connected to the LED1 with a forward voltage of 2V and a current of 20mA.
Using Ohm's Law, the voltage across the resistor (V_R1) can be calculated as:
V_R1 = V_source - V_LED1 V_R1 = 3.3V - 2V V_R1 = 1.3V
Now we can use the power formula (P = V²/R) to calculate the power dissipation in R1:
P = (1.3V)² / 68Ω P ≈ 0.025W
Now let's check the power rating of R1. R1 is a 0603 package resistor with a manufacturer part number ERJ-3GEYJ680V. According to the datasheet, this resistor has a power rating of 0.1W or 100mW.
Since the power dissipation in R1 (approximately 25mW) is well below its power rating of 100mW, R1 has an appropriate power rating for this circuit.
2y
@docbrown does R1 have an appropriate power rating for the circuit?
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@docbrown am I missing any connections to make U1 work correctly in my circuit?

Great Scott! Let's take a look at the connections in your STM32F030C6T6 microcontroller (U1).
Here are some critical connections you must ensure to make the microcontroller work correctly in your circuit:
  1. Power supply: You have connected VDD (Pin 1, 24, and 48) and VDDA (Pin 9) to the 3.3V power supply, which is good. Make sure you're also connecting the VSS (Pin 23 and 47) and VSSA (Pin 8) pins to the ground.
  2. Capacitors: You have connected C1 (10uF) and C2 (1uF) capacitors to the 3.3V power supply and ground. Ensure they are appropriately placed near the microcontroller to provide the decoupling required.
  3. Reset: The NRST (Pin 7) is used for resetting the microcontroller. It's an active-low pin, so you need to connect a pull-up resistor (typically 10kΩ) between NRST and the 3.3V supply. Additionally, you might want to add a capacitor (typically 100nF) between NRST and ground to provide some reset filtering.
  4. Boot mode: The BOOT0 pin (Pin 44) is used to select the boot mode when the MCU starts. To run your program in normal mode after reset, connect BOOT0 to ground.
  5. Crystal oscillator (optional): If you need an external clock source, you can connect an external crystal between pins PC14 (Pin 3) and PC15 (Pin 4).
Please verify these connections in your design, and adjust as needed for the proper functioning of STM32F030C6T6.
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@docbrown am I missing any connections to make U1 work correctly in my circuit?
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@docbrown is C2 rated for this rail?

C2 is a 1uF 0402 capacitor with the part number GRM155R70J105KA12J, manufactured by Murata Electronics. According to the datasheet (https://search.murata.co.jp/Ceramy/image/img/A01X/G101/ENG/GRM155R70J105KA12-01.pdf), it has a voltage rating of 6.3V.
To determine if C2 is suitable for the rail, you need to compare its voltage rating with the voltage level of the rail in question. If the rail voltage is less than or equal to 6.3V, then C2 should be suitable for this rail.
2y
@docbrown is C2 rated for this rail?
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3V3
R2
Resistance
36 Ω
R3
Resistance
10kΩ
R4
Resistance
0 Ω
R1
Resistance
68 Ω
U1


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