CAN Transceiver Connections Explained

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Proceeding with queries for U4.

Short answer: Yes—any copper or parts on any layer under the ESP32 module’s antenna will degrade RF. That includes bottom-layer CAN traces and the CAN transceiver placed under the antenna projection.
What the docs require (ESP32-S3 HW Design Guidelines / module datasheet):
  • Keep at least 15 mm clearance around the antenna area.
  • No copper, no traces, no vias, no components in that area on any layer.
  • Prefer a board cutout under the antenna if possible.
Your PCB right now:
  • U4 is at the origin with the antenna end defined in the footprint; I see 57cfc4e2-133e-4f3e-bc11-a59269bbb67b/d9f9a055-e850-4ab5-ac5e-f936252b3a99 routed on the Bottom in the 9.7–13.4 mm X region near U4, which falls under the module’s footprint area and is very likely within the antenna projection.
  • U2 is placed at about 9.05 mm, -3.94 mm, i.e., underneath/adjacent to the module; that also risks being under the antenna zone.
Recommendations (pick one or combine):
  • Move U2 and reroute CAN so no copper exists under the antenna projection of U4.
  • Add an all-layer keepout matching the antenna projection plus a 15 mm margin; forbid polygons, traces, and vias inside it.
  • If space is truly constrained, add a board cutout under the antenna region; even then, keep parts away from the 15 mm zone.
  • If you must violate this for an early proto, expect reduced range/detuning; verify with RSSI/range testing.
If you want, I can mark the antenna projection zone in the layout for you and list any nets crossing it so you can reroute around it.
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iblamematthew

iblamematthew

ok and can the antenna be sticking off the pcb? like pads on pcb and antenna no?
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Setting formatting guidelines.

Yes—this is actually the preferred placement. For the ESP32-S3 module U4, Espressif recommends putting the antenna portion outside the main PCB outline (overhanging the board edge). That minimizes detuning from the baseboard.
Key rules to follow
  • Overhang OK (recommended): Keep the castellated pads fully on the PCB, and let only the antenna end project past the edge.
  • All-layer keepout: No copper, traces, vias, or components under the antenna area on any layer. If the antenna cannot overhang, maintain at least 15 mm clearance around the antenna region on all layers.
  • Enclosure clearance: Keep metal (shields, screws, battery cans, cables) out of that antenna zone. Test range in the final enclosure.
  • Assembly/mechanical: Ensure the module is well supported during reflow (panel rails or nearby board material) so the overhanging antenna isn’t stressed. Do not route board-edge fiducials or breakaways through the antenna keepout.
If you want, I can mark the antenna keepout in your layout around U4 and flag any traces/vias that cross it so you can reroute.
Confirm overhang distance
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Enclosure constraint
Keepout setup
Check current placement
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