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Default mode is high speed mode(strong pull down to GND)

vasy_skral

Cut trace AND THEN solder terminals C and B and you will get strong pull up to VCC = low power mode

vasy_skral

Cut trace for slope control mode (R2 is 100kΩ pull down to GND)

vasy_skral

Default mode is high speed mode(strong pull down to GND)

GND

CANH

Capacitance

100n F

GND

Manufacturer Name

Texas Instruments

Manufacturer Part Number

SN65HVD230DR

MODE

GND

3V3

CANL

GND

Capacitance

100n F

GND

Resistance

47k Ω

Resistance

0 Ω

Resistance

120 Ω

Resistance

0 Ω

TERM

does the c7 need to be connected to RS?

ril3y

@copilot does the c7 need to be connected to RS?

copilot

Yes, the capacitor C7 needs to be connected to the Rs pin of the SN65HVD230DR IC (U2). This is indicated by the netlist entry Net 4 connects Rs:P1, Rs:P1, MODE:C, R2:P1, C7:P2, U2:Rs.

In the context of the SN65HVD230 CAN transceiver, the Rs pin is used for slope control of the output signals. The capacitor (C7) in this network, along with resistor (R2), forms a RC network that determines the slew rate of the CAN bus signals, which in turn controls the bus's data rate.

For more detailed information, you should refer to the manufacturer's datasheet for the SN65HVD230 transceiver.

for U2 what should vcc voltage be at?

ril3y

@copilot for U2 what should vcc voltage be at?

copilot

According to the datasheet for the SN65HVD230DR, the recommended operating supply voltage (VCC) is 3.3V.

Here are some specifics:

Minimum VCC: 3.0V

Maximum VCC: 3.6V

Please ensure that the power supply to U2 falls within this range.

Reference: SN65HVD230DR Datasheet

does this look coorect?

ril3y

@copilot does this look coorect?

copilot

It is difficult for me to evaluate the entire project without a visual representation or a more specific question. However, based on the provided context and netlist, the information seems to be organized correctly.

If you can provide more information or a specific question, I would be happy to help.

ril3y

@copilot specifically does the diode and the termination resistor look right

copilot

Based on the provided netlist and component information, here's the connection summary for the diode (D1) and termination resistor (R1):

D1 (SMAJ33A):
- Cathode (K) connected to U2:CANL (SN65HVD230 CANL pin)
- Anode (A) connected to U2:CANH (SN65HVD230 CANH pin) and SJ1:P1 (Solder Jumper P1)

R1 (120Ω):
- P1 connected to SJ1:P2 (Solder Jumper P2)
- P2 connected to U2:CANL (SN65HVD230 CANL pin)

It appears that the diode (D1) is connected between the CANL and CANH pins of the SN65HVD230, and the termination resistor (R1) is connected to the CANL pin through a solder jumper (SJ1).

This configuration is unusual for a CAN transceiver, as the termination resistor is typically connected between the CANL and CANH lines directly, without a diode in the path. The diode may be intended for transient voltage suppression (TVS), but it is not a standard part of the CAN bus configuration.

Please double-check the design requirements and ensure that the diode (D1) and termination resistor (R1) connections are intentional and meet the specific needs of your application.

ril3y

Where would I put the TVS then?

copilot

To properly place a TVS diode in a CAN bus transceiver circuit, you should connect the TVS diode across the CANH and CANL lines. Here's how you can modify your connections for the diode (D1) as a transient voltage suppressor (TVS):

D1 (SMAJ33A):
- Cathode (K) connected to CANH (Terminal)
- Anode (A) connected to CANL (Terminal)

This will provide transient voltage suppression on the differential CAN lines to protect the transceiver (U2) from voltage spikes and surges.

Please ensure that the TVS diode you are using is rated for the correct voltage and current requirements of your CAN bus system.

ril3y

like ths?

copilot

Yes, you can connect the TVS diode (D1) across the CANH and CANL terminals as follows:

D1 (SMAJ33A):
- Cathode (K) connected to CANH (Terminal)
- Anode (A) connected to CANL (Terminal)

This configuration will provide transient voltage suppression on the differential CAN lines, protecting the transceiver (U2) from voltage spikes and surges.

Ensure that the TVS diode you are using is rated for the correct voltage and current requirements of your CAN bus system.

ril3y

Does this look correct for the TVS now?

copilot

I apologize for the confusion, but I am unable to see the schematic or layout you are referring to. I can only provide suggestions based on the information you provide in text form.

Based on our previous discussion, the TVS diode (D1) should be connected as follows:

D1 (SMAJ33A):
- Cathode (K) connected to CANH (Terminal)
- Anode (A) connected to CANL (Terminal)

If you have updated your schematic or layout to reflect this configuration, then the TVS diode should be correctly placed in your circuit.

ril3y

is there a smaller TVS part I could use>?

copilot

Yes, there are smaller TVS diodes available in different package sizes. One option is the "ESDA6V1SC6" from STMicroelectronics. It comes in a small SOT-23-6 package, which is smaller than the SMAJ33A in a DO-214AC (SMA) package.

Here are the key specifications for ESDA6V1SC6:

Manufacturer Part Number: ESDA6V1SC6

Manufacturer: STMicroelectronics

Package: SOT-23-6

Working Voltage: 6.1V

Datasheet: ESDA6V1SC6

Please verify that this TVS diode meets your specific requirements in terms of voltage and current ratings, as well as the package size constraints for your design.

does this look right for this chip so far?

ril3y

@copilot does this look right for this chip so far?

copilot

It looks like a fairly reasonable layout for the SN65HVD230DR CAN transceiver chip. However, it's essential to verify the connections against the specific requirements for your application. Here's a summary of the connections:

CANL (U2:CANL) and CANH (U2:CANH) are connected to the CAN bus terminals, with a TVS diode (D1) for protection.

The Ground (GND) is connected to U2:GND and U2:Rs.

U2:D and U2:R are connected for signal transmission and reception.

Two decoupling capacitors, C1 (100nF) and C2 (0.1uF), are connected to U2:VCC and U2:Vref.

This looks like a typical configuration, but you should double-check the datasheet to ensure you meet all the requirements.

ril3y

In the data sheet they give an layout example and talk about more caps specifically C8 and C7 do you know what values they should be?

copilot

Sure! From the Texas Instruments SN65HVD230, SN65HVD231, and SN65HVD232 datasheets, which all use similar reference designs, they recommend these values for capacitors C7 and C8:

C7: 220 pF to 1 nF capacitor should be connected between the RS pin and ground. It helps in adjusting the slew rate for lower electromagnetic emissions and possibly reduce EMI.

C8: A 4.7 μF to 10 μF bulk capacitor should be placed near the Vcc pin (usually within 50mm) and connected to both the Vcc and GND pins. This capacitor helps with transient voltage stability and load handling.

Please note that these values can vary depending on your specific application and requirements, so it's a good idea to double-check any constraints or specifications applicable to your particular design.

ril3y

what package size for c7 and c8 would be needed also what voltages?

copilot

For C7 and C8, the package sizes and voltage ratings will depend on your circuit's constraints and requirements, such as available PCB space and operating voltage. However, I can provide you with some common options:

C7 (220 pF to 1 nF): A common package size for this value is the SMD_0603_1608Metric (0603 Imperial). The voltage rating should be at least equal to the operating voltage of your circuit. For example, if the circuit operates at 5V, a capacitor with a voltage rating of 10V or higher would be suitable.

C8 (4.7 µF to 10 µF): A common package size for this value is the SMD_1206_3216Metric (1206 Imperial) or SMD_0805_2012Metric (0805 Imperial). The voltage rating should also be at least equal to the operating voltage of your circuit. In case the circuit operates at 5V, a capacitor with a voltage rating of 10V or higher would be appropriate.

Please note that these are just common options, and you should consider your specific design requirements and available space on the PCB when selecting the package sizes and voltages for these capacitors.

is D the TX input?

ril3y

@copilot is D the TX input?

copilot

Yes, D (pin D on part U2, SN65HVD230DR) is the TX input for the CAN transceiver. The SN65HVD230DR is a CAN transceiver IC, and it has two main data pins: D (Transmit Data) and R (Receive Data). When data is sent from the microcontroller or any other communication device, it is sent to the TX input (pin D) of the CAN transceiver, which then sends the data over the CAN bus.

ril3y

what should I do with VREF and rs? I also plan on powering the chip with 3v3

copilot

For the SN65HVD230DR CAN transceiver, VREF (pin 5) is the reference voltage output, and it is typically connected to the midpoint of the bus common-mode voltage. You can simply connect VREF to a 0.1uF capacitor to ground to bypass and stabilize the reference voltage.

RS (pin 8) is the slope control input used to adjust the transmit data rate and the edge synchronization. A common configuration is to connect a resistor between RS and GND to set the slope control. If you want to set the data rate to the nominal 500 kbps, you can connect a 10 kΩ resistor between RS and GND. Alternatively, you can connect RS to GND directly for maximum data rate and a fast slope, or leave RS unconnected for the slowest slope and lowest EMI emissions.

Since you plan to power the chip with 3.3V, connect the 3.3V supply to the VCC (pin 7) of the SN65HVD230DR. According to the datasheet, the chip operates in a supply voltage range of 3.0V to 3.6V, so using a 3.3V supply is suitable. Connect the GND (pin 2) to the common ground of your circuit.

is this dioed hooked up right?

ril3y

is this dioed hooked up right?

SN65HVD230 i have this can chip that I want to hookup to the esp32. I also need...

ril3y

@copilot SN65HVD230 i have this can chip that I want to hookup to the esp32. I also need to make sure its designed to be robust against transient currents.

copilot

To connect the SN65HVD230 CAN transceiver to the ESP32-S3-WROOM-1U-N4, you'll need to connect the following pins:

VCC (SN65HVD230) to 3V3 (ESP32) - Power supply for the transceiver.

GND (SN65HVD230) to GND (ESP32) - Ground connection.

D (SN65HVD230) to one of the GPIOs configured as CAN TX on the ESP32, for example, IO4 (assuming you'll configure it as CAN TX in your code).

R (SN65HVD230) to another GPIO configured as CAN RX on the ESP32, for example, IO5 (assuming you'll configure it as CAN RX in your code).

For robustness against transient currents, consider the following design tips:

Add a decoupling capacitor (e.g., 100nF) near the VCC pin of the SN65HVD230 connected between VCC and GND to provide local high-frequency energy storage and filtering.

Route the CANH and CANL signals as differential pairs, maintaining a constant impedance and minimal distance between them to improve noise immunity.

Use termination resistors (e.g., 120 ohms) at the ends of the CAN bus, reducing signal reflections.

Keep the CAN bus away from high-voltage or high-current traces to minimize electromagnetic interference.

Optionally, add a TVS diode between CANH and CANL and connected to GND for ESD and transient voltage protection.

After wiring the hardware, you will need to configure the ESP32 CAN peripheral in software, including setting the proper GPIOs for CAN TX and RX functionality, baud rate, and other relevant parameters.

ril3y

can you recommend a tvs dioed?

copilot

Sure! A suitable TVS diode for protecting a CAN bus system is the SMBJ33CA, a bidirectional TVS diode from ON Semiconductor. This diode can handle peak pulse power of 600W and has a standoff voltage of 33V, which is suitable for most automotive and industrial CAN bus systems. The SMB package is small and easy to solder.

Other options to consider include:

Bourns CDSOT23-SM712, which is specifically designed for protecting CAN bus lines.

Vishay's TPSMB series, specifically the TPSMB36A, which has similar specifications and comes in a SMB package.

Choose a device that meets your specific requirements for clamping voltage, peak pulse power, and package size. Keep in mind that the chosen TVS diode should have a standoff voltage slightly higher than the maximum expected voltage on the CAN bus (usually less than 30V).

ril3y

any others

copilot

Certainly! Here are a few more TVS diode options for protecting CAN bus systems:

STMICROELECTRONICS' Transil series - ESDCAN03-2BM3Y: A high-performance, automotive-grade TVS diode that is specifically designed for CAN bus protection. It comes in a SOT-23 package.

Littelfuse's SM24CAN series - SM24CAN3.3BT3G: A CAN bus-optimized, bidirectional TVS diode that provides excellent surge protection and comes in a SOT-23 package.

Diodes Incorporated's DESD series - DESD11C30S2.8xJ: This ESD protection diode offers low capacitance and excellent clamping capability in a SOD-323 package that is suitable for CAN bus applications.

When selecting a TVS diode for your application, make sure to consider specifications such as standoff voltage, clamping voltage, peak pulse power, and package size. Pick a device that best fits your specific needs and operating conditions.

ril3y

is this dioed hooked up right?

copilot

To determine if the TVS diode is connected correctly, we'll need more details about the specific TVS diode you're using and your current circuit connections. However, I can provide general guidance on how to connect a bidirectional TVS diode for CAN bus protection:

Connect the anode (A) of the TVS diode to the CANH line.

Connect the cathode (K) of the TVS diode to the CANL line.

Ensure that the TVS diode's standoff voltage is slightly higher than the maximum expected voltage on the CAN bus but lower than the transceiver's voltage rating.

For unidirectional TVS diodes, follow a similar connection method but ensure that the diode's working direction matches the voltage polarity on the CAN bus lines.

If you provide specific information regarding the TVS diode model and your current connections, I can give more personalized feedback to ensure the diode is connected properly.

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